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It just goes to show that PPC and type in traffic are secondary in a market that is motivated to drive traffic to a Marketing & Branding based domain.

Still "generic" but far reaching in its MARKETING value.

I really think this is the new trend in domains and will be more prevalent as time goes on. Why?

1 - True Generics are gone and can't be had for anything less than HUGE capital outlays.
2 - Search Engine use is more and more commonplace gaining ground against type in traffic due to the simple fact that end-users are SICK AND TIRED of parking pages.
3 - Search traffic is more target rich with multiple keywords. In that vein, DigitalCameras.com would be worth more to a digital camera marketer than the 2 Million Bucks that Cameras.com sold for a while back.

I know it's grand to think about continuing domains biz on how it's been done for the past 15 years, but the truth is, the end-users ultimately drive the market space and they are wise to parking, worried about the cost of "traditional" targeted domains and get better response with creative, multiple keyword rich, search friendly domains that both serves the branding purpose as well as making themselves more easily "found" and remembered.

Those that grasp this trend will be the new money makers in the immediate future.

Nice Sale and Good News for the market.

It just goes to show that PPC and type in traffic are secondary in a market that is motivated to drive traffic to a Marketing & Branding based domain.

There is logic out of the names that are sold (well most), hence how current market dictates that certain aged domains with relevance do have a better chance of reaching the top of the search engines (ie: hotels.com at the top when "hotels" is put into google or cheapfares.com for keywords "cheap fares".)

1. Yes, companies will need to become creative be it through varying tld's becoming more popular or common phrases but SEO and marketing will come into play at this point and who has the bigger $$ to throw at it. On the other hand, I can assure you having generic .com's will be popular for search engines to have on the top for many years to come because this is what the end user understands as the most relevant website for their search.

2.That they are, but lucky for the generic .com holder it's inevitable that many end users will wisen up to the game and make offers holders can't refuse. As more and more generics become pertinent websites the more generic holders will find traffic assuming the same. Besides this, parked pages will eventually fade away as parking companies realize development is the way of the future.

3.What percent of search engine traffic actually converts as opposed to parked traffic depending on the name? Also, DigitalCamera.com will receive much less traffic than Cameras.com, "Cameras" will be typed into the search engines much more than "Digital Cameras". (Cameras.com sold for 1.5M btw).

I know it's grand to think about continuing domains biz on how it's been.......easily "found" and remembered.

Ok, I think they are getting wiser, but end users that want their tm and smaller start ups. As I said, as more large organizations take on generics as widely accepted they will be jumping on them like we have already seen Wall Street do with Fund.com. 1800Company.com is more intuitive when they might actually plan on running commercials with "1-800-Company" at the bottom of the screen for quite some time and don't want a competitor capturing the traffic.

Sorry for the long post.
 
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There is logic out of the names that are sold (well most), hence how current market dictates that certain aged domains with relevance do have a better chance of reaching the top of the search engines (ie: hotels.com at the top when "hotels" is put into google or cheapfares.com for keywords "cheap fares".)

I used to think so too, but with the literally thousands of SEO specialists out there combating one another to maintain top ranks in the search engines, it's really a matter of money, not an automatic top search ranking simply do to the domain.

Hotels.com happens to be the top position, not due to its name but to the countless $1000s of dollars in marketing, advertising and development that has taken place. Cameras.com for an alternative example, is nowhere to be seen for MORE the first 10 pages... and that's as far as I bothered to look.

If an advertiser BRANDS his business and the domain reflects that brand... it could be a completely UN-intuitive name... let's pick one at Random... "GOOGLE".... yet drive traffic like crazy.

Retailers KNOW this and that's why, for the most part and with few exceptions, the only people really paying ridiculous sums of cash for the past 15 years have been Domainers.

Given the 100 years of Marketing 101, Business has learned to first BRAND and then Direct, not the other way around... so domains are a hard concept for most of them to get their heads around. Add to that the fact that domain holders, often viewed as virtual land squatters and extortionists, are asking such rediculous sums for these domains, most companies have simply just decided to do their own thing and leave the penny sales to the parkers and become more creative with their branding campaign.

Which is what lead me to point #1.

I can assure you having generic .com's will be popular for search engines to have on the top for many years to come because this is what the end user understands as the most relevant website for their search.

I actually disagree with you to some degree... looking at the trends, Internet users are becoming smarter and with Google, Yahoo, MSN and more user friendly engines like "Ask" teaching their users to use MORE terms to get BETTER results... We can see multiple key-word searched getting better results and getting them FASTER.

The increasing trend in todays market is to step away from "direct navigation", to use search engines more and to use " and & to refine searches and in an ever increasing number of cases, to type in entire phrases, such as "how to change an oil filter".

It is reflected in the CPC values, Click Fraud, Click bids and so many other factors... namely the recent rush to consolidation by so many top domain companies and individuals. The in direct navigation is lies in BULK, because the frequency is so much lower. Parking companies are paying less and advertisers such as Google and Yahoo are paying more because they are "qualifying" their clicks by ranking the quality of traffic by site.

The short end of all of this is that businesses are tight and need to find more cost effective ways to reach to an ever increasingly efficient internet market. And that, I'm sorry to say, doesn't bode well for simple parkers any more.

but lucky for the generic .com holder it's inevitable that many end users will wisen up to the game and make offers holders can't refuse. As more and more generics become pertinent websites the more generic holders will find traffic assuming the same.

The problem is that holders want the moon and 'most' businesses aren't willing to pay what "wholesalers" are paying or think a domain is worth. Which is why I completely believe, like you, that development is the only way this industry inevitably moves forward along with some BALANCE. Otherwise, business will simply keep creating their own solution to domains that are simply out of reach.

What percent of search engine traffic actually converts as opposed to parked traffic depending on the name?

That's a GREAT question and I think it deserved ANOTHER question... How do you define "converts". As a Parker, you probably define it as clicking through and getting your .04 cents for that click. As a Business, it means a "SALE".

So how many Parking clicks convert to a SALE? That's the REAL question and I think that is the most important question. Simply put, PPC is failing because advertisers are tired of paying for browsers, afraid of click fraud and the lack of transparency in the PPC world.

How much do you get per click versus what Google actually CHARGES that customer? Do you even KNOW? Why is it that on a keyword domain that gets $4.00 per click from the customer only pay .09 cents to the parker? And do visitors really CARE that the advertiser is paying for that click when they are just checking out something kinda interesting?

Versus...

I took the time to go to Google, type in exactly what I am looking for (indicating my level of interest), chose the website result that best encompasses my targeted item and then visited the site.... ALL FOR FREE.

As a business owner self, I'd rather NOT pay per click. And I think that's true for most. Bids are low because competition is low.

Also, DigitalCamera.com will receive much less traffic than Cameras.com, "Cameras" will be typed into the search engines much more than "Digital Cameras". (Cameras.com sold for 1.5M btw).

You are absoultely correct... It will get LESS traffic then Cameras, but MUCH MORE QUALIFIED TRAFFIC. And that's really the point. What good is it for me to bring in conventional camera customers, or camera repair customers, or movie camera customers or polaroid customers when I only sell Digital Cameras?

TARGETED TRAFFIC is what ever good little marketing director is taught in college. The BROADER the spread, the LESS the value, the LESS the cost. The smaller and more targeted the audience, the MORE value it has and the MORE the advertiser is willing to pay.

That's how ads on TV works, Magazines work, events work. Why shouldn't domains work the same way? Why, in fact, are domains the complete OPPOSITE? Because the parking market was created by people who were parking.

I know there are example of big companies that have jumped on the domain bandwagon but in perspective... not alot. Your example, Fund.com, was not Schwab or Hutton or some other established Wallstreet firm that picked up the domain to futher or market their business. It's a new technology applied to the old system. Geeks built it, not wallstreet leatherheads. Same with Hotels and many, many other domains.

The Brick and Motor players in those markets have been and will continue to brand and market themselves in catch phrases, multiple keywords and their own corporate domains.

Finding a way to meet these people with more qualified traffic, better search results and a cost structure that is more easily absorbed will result in an exponential growth of domain sales and a stronger, more robust internet marketing sales.

Sorry my post is so long, but these are just some thoughts I have and when I see a PHONE NUMBER sell for what is likely to be far more that what they paid for the domain to back it, I can't help but to see the writing on the wall.

The market is adjusting to step around the obstacles, distractions and expense to growth... the domainers.

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You've made your point, however, your opinion is based on your own personal experience, ie, not owning a top world-class domain name. I can tell you from my own experience, that having a top domain puts me in front of clients as the leader of that industry. I don't have to sell myself or my company anymore, all I do is present my product and service, the rest works its magic. Building a business is like climibing mount Everest, you can schlep all your gear by yourslef to the summit, but having a great domain name, is like having a sherpa give you hand in climbing the mountain by carrying some that weight. That's all. Of course having a great domain and sitting on your *** all day long, may not instantly create an ongoing business, but all things being equal, having a great domain name will make your trek a lot easier.
 

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You've made your point, however, your opinion is based on your own personal experience, ie, not owning a top world-class domain name. I can tell you from my own experience, that having a top domain puts me in front of clients as the leader of that industry. I don't have to sell myself or my company anymore, all I do is present my product and service, the rest works its magic. Building a business is like climibing mount Everest, you can schlep all your gear by yourslef to the summit, but having a great domain name, is like having a sherpa give you hand in climbing the mountain by carrying some that weight. That's all. Of course having a great domain and sitting on your *** all day long, may not instantly create an ongoing business, but all things being equal, having a great domain name will make your trek a lot easier.

What domain do you own if I may ask? Feel free to pm it.
 

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I thought it was illegal to sell US toll free numbers. At least it was when I looked into it?

I'd never heard that before...

where did you learn that ??

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You've made your point, however, your opinion is based on your own personal experience, ie, not owning a top world-class domain name. I can tell you from my own experience, that having a top domain puts me in front of clients as the leader of that industry. I don't have to sell myself or my company anymore, all I do is present my product and service, the rest works its magic. Building a business is like climibing mount Everest, you can schlep all your gear by yourslef to the summit, but having a great domain name, is like having a sherpa give you hand in climbing the mountain by carrying some that weight. That's all. Of course having a great domain and sitting on your *** all day long, may not instantly create an ongoing business, but all things being equal, having a great domain name will make your trek a lot easier.

You've effectively put yourself on Mt. Everest with this post. First off, I find it interesting that you know my portfolio well enough to make that claim. Secondly, I have to disagree that a person only need a great name to manage and run a successful business.

Regardless of what may be simple pontification, The Everests of online marketing are such companies like Google, Yahoo and a multitude of other companies that have taken the branding, products and solid service trail to the top. Their "name" had nothing to do with it.

Do you remember Search.com? Why isn't that the Everest of search engines? Why, if you ask 1000 people to name the 1st search tool on the internet that virtually NOBODY will mention Search.com? Isn't "search" more intuitive than "google"?

Look, I'm not attacking traditional domaining... just trying to point out that the more we flat refuse to meet the traditional business world on their level, the more opportunities we let slip through out fingers.

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Wow nice sale!!

The guys that own 1-800-GOLFING www.1800golfing.com and 1-800-CASINOS at www.1800casinos.com must be very happy.

LOL. I think the point of this sale is that it was to buy a company, with it's assets, that just happened to include the domain. Probably find if it was just the domain on its own it would have gone for peanuts. It's all the branding that's been done around it that has added the value.
 

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Au contraire, 99% of people that own the top generics domains have sat on their duffs and done nothing with them, except collect parking revenue, or they probably also own lots of domains and are making good money and that makes them fat and lazy. Therefore, by default lousy domains will have to gain traction somehow or another and spend lots of money in ppc advertising. Please read my post carefully, I am saying a great domain + WORK will do magic. A crappy domain + $$$$$ + WORK can also do well. All things being equal a great domain will HELP you a great deal. I have never seen a crappy domain, lift its crappy little rear end and do anything for its owner. I have however seen lots of great domains open lots of doors for their owners, if nothing else. Rich Schwartz, Schilling, et.al, didn't get to where they are with crappy domains.
 

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This just published today at the New York Times... Article titled:

Online Search Ads Faring Better Than Expensive Displays

In the past few years, Web publishers have made a big bet on booming online advertising revenues. But the economic slowdown may be throwing a wrench into those plans.

While search advertising remains strong, there are signs that the growth in online advertising — particularly in more elaborate display ads — is slowing down. In the past few weeks, major online-advertising players, like Yahoo and Time Warner, have posted mixed results.

And online publishers may be getting less money for the ad space they do sell. The prices paid for online ads bought through ad networks dropped 23 percent from March to April, according to PubMatic, an advertising-technology company in Palo Alto, Calif., that runs an online-pricing index. Large Web publishers fared the worst in PubMatic’s study, with the prices they received through networks dropping 52 percent.

These are only preliminary results, and the economy could turn around more quickly than anyone expected even a month ago. But, these numbers must be worrisome for Web portals, newspaper publishers and news media companies like CBS (which announced a $1.8 billion deal last week to buy CNet Networks) looking to expand their revenues from high-priced display advertising, like graphics-heavy banners and column ads.

“The weakest form, the one that’s most susceptible to a downturn — and this is what we’re seeing — is display advertising,” said Jeffrey Lindsay, senior analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Company.

Read the rest of the article HERE: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/t...=1&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

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Someone in a dnjournal article said once that owning a great domain in business is like having the wind at your back. I think this statement sums it up, it doesn't make the business but can really help. That's why a vodka company bought vodka.com, etc., a domain like that can show you as the leader of your industry. CNet probably got bought more for their domain names than anything else (and for how their business grew due to domain traffic), and some of them are still parked. Lots of big companies own generic domains in their field, like Baby.com, etc.

Sure there are specific examples where it might not apply, like Google.com and yahoo.com vs. Search.com. If you were going to start a new search company to take on Google or Yahoo, you could do worse than using Search.com

But as long as domains are used there will always be type in for names like NewYork.com, Magic.com, Travel.com, and so on.

If branding is key, I would say then that a good domain name can make the branding easier - like using a one, two or three word domain that tells someone exactly what your company does, and is easy to remember.

As for prices, even top domains still sell for what amounts to chump change for Fortune 500 companies than have million dollar advertising budgets. If people are holding onto top generics still, it's probably because they are waiting for business to realize the value of a good domain (which many still haven't).
 
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