1st Annual Smoke and Mirrors Domain Conference

[sasquatch]

In recent months there has been continuing reports of sales and auctionings of names with 0 overture score and 0 linkpop.

As reported by Duke's Journal, for example, OnlinePokerRoom dot com was picked up at NameWinner for almost 28,000 dollars. Yup, you guessed it - domain has 0 overture/0 linkpop.

Meanwhile, TiltPoker.com sold for whooping $46,000 at Pool. - 0 ovt., 0 linkpop...

and many, many, many others...

Etc...etc...etc...

So my question is why would someone who has no track record of name/site development, chase 0 ovt.-0 linkpop name, pay 28k for it and then park it at ppc?

What's going on here??

I see legit domains with 100 uniques daily getting yawns and sell for peanuts here, while the ones that sell for "bags of gold," almost always conveniently happen elsewhere, at third party companies, auctions, private deals etc.

Isn't that a bit strange? Did anybody asked themselves why do we get offered xxx for the name with 100 uniques daily here, while the lower quality name with 0 traffic gets 30k elsewhere?

For once, I would like to see someone list a domain with the quality of OnlinePokerRoom, along with 0 ovt. and 0 linkpop, and get 28,000 for it here at Dnforum (or 46,000 for that matter.)

Can someone please, please lift this veil of mystery for me, and show me the path to enlightenment?

If you know of any, feel free to post any similarly succesful names, and the reasons for their success.

Even better, I invite Mole to organize 1st annual Domain Smoke and Mirrors conference where we will be discusing the art of selling lame, three-word, 0 ovt - 0 linkpop names for bunch of money.

I suggest for this conference to take place in Vegas, but instead of fancy hotels, we meet in David Copperfield's magic warehouse. That way some of that magic can rub onto us.

 

[fischermx]

Money laundry !? I can't see other thing, specially it is to/from casino related business.

 

[mark]

i really don't think that there is any mystery to it. if a person or company wants a name and you have it they are going to buy it to meet their needs, period. perceived value, as has been discussed here before, is important. overture numbers are just one tool to use in evaluating a domain but hardly should be the catch all for determining value or usefulness....acknowledging that is a statement contrary to some people's opinion. this domain forum is in primarily a reseller's market much like a wholesale auto auction compromised of only car dealers...where nearly everyone has a general idea of value and then their own idea of value based upon anticipated re-sale value or future useage thru development. of course overture numbers will be and have been used in the past, to either justify a high sale or attempt to reduce the amount of a desired purchase. are there visitors who may stop by or join this forum who are capable of paying high dollar numbers for domains? absolutely. will that happen very often in this setting? i doubt it, but anything is possible, especially as the demand for quality domains exceeds the supply.

 

[croupier]

tiltpoker.com had an ovt of 45 (if I remember correctly) when it sold, it's up to 68 now. It works in 2 ways, first as a 'misspell' of fulltiltpoker.com and secondly because 'tilt' is the name of a new TV show about poker - it also works well by itself. I think 48k was a little optimistic but if it continues to gain traffic then it will have been a good buy.

onlinepokerroom.com is a great name for obvious reasons, and would easily sell for 5 figures to an end user. The lack of an ovt means it's traffic is low but definitly not non-exsistent. I have a number of non-ovt domains that make in excess of $500/month and I'm certain this one would too.

 

[JMJ]

I offered free special report .com (No links no OV) to someone here for $40 and they turned it down. Days later sold it for $2000 and probably could have got more as they didn't even blink at the asking. Euro Paintball .com (No links no OV) had it listed on the boards at one time for $25 sold not long after for $1500 plus some products. Have two in negotiation that I've had both listed for $75 and nada here. I could go on and on...

Those examples that you gave are a bit different as they are related to one of the biggest money making industries online so it stands to reason they are getting top dollar. Everyone has "traffic" and "links" on the brain and looking for a ROI in 3-4 years. Personally I'm too impatient for that. I prefer doubling my inventory and sitting on a fat wad of cash in a matter of months. I see it as a numbers game. The more inventory you have the more interested buyers you get and it's up to you to make a deal at a profitable price with the first one that comes along.

I've picked up some names recently dropped by some of the "big hitters" which they probably let drop because they were not making PPC income. Sent out a few emails to very qualified buyers with a decent price they didn't think twice about buying.

 

[namewaiter]

for many, buying and building an online business revolves around a brandable domain... not the traffic, not the linkpop, not the alexa rating, not the page rank.

 

[Fearless]

I've picked up some names recently dropped by some of the "big hitters" which they probably let drop because they were not making PPC income. Sent out a few emails to very qualified buyers with a decent price they didn't think twice about buying.

I have a bunch of names you could sell for me.

 

[Mr. Deleted]

I have a bunch of names you could sell for me.

Yeah, maybe start selling some of mine too while you are at it.

But really it is true that some names are great, but just never developed. I have a few OVT names and they are worth then some of my other names! Anyway I wish a guy with a pocket full of cash would start buying up DNF domains too!

 

[JMJ]

Don't get me wrong I do believe in leveling out your portfolio where you have names earning PPC that cover those that don't (once you have the cash to do so). I also understand the value and residual income involved in those few that do have it. Unfortunately you see it so much on these boards and those newbies coming in trying to learn how to make money at domains think this is what they need to make it and are going to lose out quick. They will spend a chunk of change on on a few names and make a minimal amount of income every month.

My advice to all of those people is instead of spending $700 on one name that makes you $20 a month. Go buy you 100 names that may make you $20 a month PPC, may not or may make you more. Don't just park them and hope someone comes along and wants to buy it. Post your names everywhere you can, list them everywhere, send emails to end-users, sell them for whatever profit you can and reinvest. Once you have a alot of names, a nice reserve then start buying those residual names. Eventually depending on how you play your cards you might see those million dollar payoffs the Gregr's of the industry get.

I've been on these boards for over two years now and at first it was extra income. I haven't put anything in from my own pocket since the first 100 dollars I spent at eNom way back then. While I was making a nice profit I wasn't getting anywhere selling here or chasing those traffic names. My goal up until those few months ago was to try and pull off $100 a day selling names whereever I could. I decided to change all that sent out some emails and for the past few months I've been trying to spend $100 a day. Have thousands owed in closed deals, cash in my pocket, money in Paypal, money in the bank and twice the portfolio I had then. Once the cash from those deals come in I plan to double the portfolio I have now. So within a matter of months I will have quadrupled my portfolio and still have cash in my pocket. From there I dunno might start buying traffic names or I might just sell out and enjoy the summer :-D

I guess I should also add. Everything in my portfolio I caught on my own and only paid reg fee. Including those mentioned earlier. I have only snapped two names in years and refuse to join a bidding war for a ROI for who knows how many years down the road..

 

[mole]

hahahaaa

Here's the agenda for the conference;

1. How to launder money with domains.
2. Learn the secret of domain sleight of hand, see your money disappear magically from your hand to my hand.
3. See death defying stunts. For the first time, .COM walks through the great wall of China, then gets stuck right in the middle.
4. Play drunk domaining, drink a bottle of vodka then go bid with Vertical Axis at Pool in front of a live audience.
5. Discover amazing traffic secrets, see your domain stats zoom through the roof with simple tricks you can buy instantly from our hackers booth at our conference.
6. Jump into a real pool full of PPC seaweed. Experience the murkiness and sliminess for the first time.
7. Network by walking through a specially designed wall of mirrors that is guaranteed to magnify your own self esteem.
8. Hear first hand the conspiracy theories against the growth of .INFO and .BIZ, and why Marxist .communist ideologies were involved.
9. Listen to an original recording of Ult's YY's laughter of double happiness as the deal is sealed.
10. All participants get an autographed woopie cushion from Domain Copperfield.

 

[Theo]

mole, this time you really surpassed yourself ! :-D Thanks for the laugh. Where do I sign up?

 

[mole]

Where do I sign up?

http://www.domaindisappearingtable.com

We also have a special split your body trick at another conference, at the same time and date! For the same price!

http://www.trafficwentwest.com

 

[Theo]

Mole, I want to invest in those domains. Do you accept eGold, Western Union or Confederation dollars?

 

[mole]

Neither rad, we take only Monopoly money. Don't leave for the auctions without it.

 

[Theo]

I can also write an eCheck from the Bank of Ghyrgistan.

 

[FreddyS]

I can not open this link:
http://www.domaindisappearingtable.com
I will be in las vegas for targeted traffic tomorrow: 24th May.
When your meeting will happen? Couldn´t find an exact date.
Regards, Freddy

 

[mike031]

I can not open this link:
http://www.domaindisappearingtable.com
I will be in las vegas for targeted traffic tomorrow: 24th May.
When your meeting will happen? Couldn´t find an exact date.
Regards, Freddy

it's a joke :blush:

 

[FreddyS]

the complete tread is a joke?
I read it (or overfly it) before I got my coffee this morning.

 

[mike031]

the complete tread is a joke?
I read it (or overfly it) before I got my coffee this morning.

yep.. it's a joke arty:

 

[Fearless]

I can not open this link:
http://www.domaindisappearingtable.com
I will be in las vegas for targeted traffic tomorrow: 24th May.
When your meeting will happen? Couldn´t find an exact date.
Regards, Freddy

It's not working for me either. If these jokers can't even keep their website going!!! I'm not going. I was ready to plunk down my $1,495.00.