Account has been suspended

[Alaire]

we will try to solve all this in private.

Thanks.

 

[synergy]

why don't you PM Donsimon to save yourself some embarrassment?

 

[Alaire]

we will try to solve all this in private.

Thanks.

 

[veryfine]

Suspended due to low conversion rate. That is the reason Parked.com gave me.

 

[jdk]

Why would they give you the reason for another members account?

 

[Alaire]

Becouse they canceled other 80 accounts for the same reason yesterday.

 

[namestrands]

well I am sure they are not doing their PR any favours. Cancelling accounts for Click Fraud is one thing but low conversion really is somewhat arrogant.

If they feel that they can afford to throw away customers then believe me their are plenty more parking programs that will happily take your traffic.

 

[Donny Simonton]

Yesterday, by the request of Yahoo any account that had 0 conversions over a 2 week period were terminated. This also included anybody under .05% conversion as well. I will give a real example, nobody knows this person, but I still won't name any names.

This was for a one week period.
58,000 clicks - 32,000 sites that had the code that could track conversions - 3 sales. This is a .0093% conversion rate.

If our partner was being paid say 10 cents a click they would get $5,800 and let's say a sale is $100 just for fun, so the advertisers make about $300. But they probably spent close to $10,000 for $300 in return. I know I would complain very quickly about those numbers and I would immediately look at going to another search provider.

One of our own accounts was flagged by Yahoo for having a low conversion as well, but our conversion was much higher than the example above it was over 3%.

This system will be going to all partners within the next month or so. We are one of 2 partners using it today. Google has Smart Pricing, which lowers everybody's numbers based on low quality traffic, Yahoo just gets rid of low quality traffic.

I don't like shutting any account down, unless somebody is cheating us. But when Yahoo tells me that we won't be getting paid for any clicks from account xxxyyy for the month and to shut them down. And we have already paid that account for the first part of the month, now everybody is losing money.

What this means is if you can't convert more than 1 in 2000 clicks to sales and sales doesn't have to be "sales" it could be just an email address or whatever. Then Yahoo in the long run won't want your traffic. You may not realize it but Google wouldn't want your traffic either. It's all amount money, if the domain parker is making more money then the advertiser the advertiser will go away.

Donny

 

[namestrands]

its not the fault of the domainer or the parking program whether a sale is completed or not. That is purely down to the advertiser ensuring that they are sponsoring the right keywords and that the text of the ad is relevant to what they are selling.

The parking program however does have a responsibility to ensure that the right keywords are relative to the domain, or at least have words to this affect in its TOS.

I would of thought that an incident like this would mean that the domainer was contacted and told that there traffic for that specific domain was not converting and would they please remove it from your program.

If no fraud is obvious then why should the domainer who entrusted his domains with you be made out to be some sort of Artful Dodger and be treated in the same way as you would a fraudster.

I get that you are ruled by Yahoo, but there are alternatives actions out there.

As you well know; not ALL advertisers use the tracking code to show ROI.

Again I have to really stress that it is NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DOMAINER to convert sales for the advertisers.

You can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink it.

 

[eq78]

Namestrands you are 100 % right and Now I know not to change any nameservers to parked and just cancel my account. AND if it is Yahoos fault Screw Yahoo too. ANd parking companies should really think about opening up thier logs and prove their are no conversions. CLICK Fraud works both ways and if Parking companies really think domainers believe them they are seriously misguided. PARKING pages are online Billboards not online sales people. Sales people make a lot more than .10 a click I mean a lead is worth more than .10 and the company paying for the lead has to close the deal on their own. Its up to them to sell

 

[VioxxLawyers]

Yesterday, by the request of Yahoo any account that had 0 conversions over a 2 week period were terminated. This also included anybody under .05% conversion as well. I will give a real example, nobody knows this person, but I still won't name any names.

This was for a one week period.
58,000 clicks - 32,000 sites that had the code that could track conversions - 3 sales. This is a .0093% conversion rate.

If our partner was being paid say 10 cents a click they would get $5,800 and let's say a sale is $100 just for fun, so the advertisers make about $300. But they probably spent close to $10,000 for $300 in return. I know I would complain very quickly about those numbers and I would immediately look at going to another search provider.

One of our own accounts was flagged by Yahoo for having a low conversion as well, but our conversion was much higher than the example above it was over 3%.

This system will be going to all partners within the next month or so. We are one of 2 partners using it today. Google has Smart Pricing, which lowers everybody's numbers based on low quality traffic, Yahoo just gets rid of low quality traffic.

I don't like shutting any account down, unless somebody is cheating us. But when Yahoo tells me that we won't be getting paid for any clicks from account xxxyyy for the month and to shut them down. And we have already paid that account for the first part of the month, now everybody is losing money.

What this means is if you can't convert more than 1 in 2000 clicks to sales and sales doesn't have to be "sales" it could be just an email address or whatever. Then Yahoo in the long run won't want your traffic. You may not realize it but Google wouldn't want your traffic either. It's all amount money, if the domain parker is making more money then the advertiser the advertiser will go away.

Donny

I agree with your position. I'm just wondering how can domainers know how their domains perform. So actually none can, and any of us can get kicked out at any time. I think many people won't sleep ok knowing their source of revenue can disappear the next day.

Imagine a domainer purchasing a high traffic type-in for 5 year revenue, and he gets kicked out for sending low performing traffic. The loss would be considerable.

In the meantime, i hope it will improve CPC, still am not sure of it.

 

[Donny Simonton]

Namestrands, I agree with you. If it's an individual domain causing the problem have the domain removed. I won't go into all of the details, but we did this with a few people yesterday. Asked them to remove certain domains.

In many cases it was more than 90% of the domains, so we didn't have much of a choice. In the past with all Yahoo providers they lumped all accounts into one big bucket and Yahoo couldn't tell the difference between my account and the next persons accounts because they didn't have that information. This has now changed. They now know each partners/affiliates list of domains. So they can actually drill down to the affiliate level which they couldn't before.

Donny

 

[VioxxLawyers]

How many % of parked.com affiliated domains are low performing according to Yahoo? Less than 1%? More? Could you tell us more please?

Just trying to figure out how serious is the issue.

 

[namestrands]

PPC is not just about the sale, its about brand marketing and ensuring that a consumer knows the advertisers name above and beyond all others, hence the whole principle of Bidding on Keywords.

I am not trying to teach a grannie how to suck eggs here but your comments

Yesterday, by the request of Yahoo any account that had 0 conversions over a 2 week period were terminated.

Really seems to be somewhat extreme, and unethical.

I could think of several reasons why a domain would not convert but again it really is not down to the domainer as that would have to involve manipulation and that is against the TOS of every parking program. So I have to ask, is this a case of you are damned if you do and damned if you dont.

If its fraud then fine, or if its a spyware domain I can totally see your point, but if its none of the above then what is the moral justification?

 

[Donny Simonton]

How many % of parked.com affiliated domains are low performing according to Yahoo? Less than 1%? More? Could you tell us more please?

Just trying to figure out how serious is the issue.

.5% they deemed low performing.

 

[VioxxLawyers]

PPC is not just about the sale, its about brand marketing and ensuring that a consumer knows the advertisers name above and beyond all others, hence the whole principle of Bidding on Keywords.

I am not trying to teach a grannie how to suck eggs here but your comments

Really seems to be somewhat extreme, and unethical.

I could think of several reasons why a domain would not convert but again it really is not down to the domainer as that would have to involve manipulation and that is against the TOS of every parking program. So I have to ask, is this a case of you are damned if you do and damned if you dont.

If its fraud then fine, or if its a spyware domain I can totally see your point, but if its none of the above then what is the moral justification?

Parked.com only obeys to Yahoo, so you should forward the question to them.

Parked.com has no influence in front of Yahoo, they cant do anything even if they wanted to.

Its affecting 0.5% of domains, so 99.5% of domains are ok according to Yahoo criterias, nice to hear that.

 

[joy3g]

**** yahoo!**** parked.com

 

[nitronet]

This is bullshit.

I'll bet their "tracking software" works real well when a customer calls and places the order over the phone, after you sent the customer there.

 

[Donny Simonton]

This is bullshit.

I'll bet their "tracking software" works real well when a customer calls and places the order over the phone, after you sent the customer there.

I asked this question myself. And this is what we found, about 25% of the advertisers use the conversion tracker. The higher the price the higher the percentage that use it. And then the porn industry has like a 95% conversion tracker usage as well. Now these are based on what we found, it could vary by account, by rank on a page, and by keyword.

But for people who require you to call them on the phone, they can't use a conversion tracker. They may internally, but not with Yahoo.

As I mentioned before Google does something very similiar to this, but instead of shutting down the ones that are not converting well, they just lower the payouts to the partners which they then lower your payouts.

If you ever decide to buy something and you click on one of your parked domains or from yahoo.com or google.com, look at the source of the html and see what's happening. Are the tracking you or are you just being paranoid.

Donny

 

[wolfis.com]

Donny,

how about giving your remaining domainers 'a heads up' if their account is not converting nicely, so that the domainer can move low quality domains away from parked.com and avoid being kicked out.

i am also missing some easy indication on the daily stats ( like a green light or a red light) behind each domain that has bad traffic .
the only way to find this out at the moment is go to the specific domain (edit) and look at the domain rating - this is very time consuming when one has 100's or 1000's of domains listed or parked.

wolfis.com