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[bidawinner]

Hey snoopy..

you said

"If you can put in the time and effort and and get some traffic to it that great but I doubt it has much value over the reg fee on its own."


"on it's own"

see thats the point that everyone is missing..it is NOT on it's own..it has the "backing" of all those 8000 plus searchs every month (just from goto..yeah yeah..subtract duplicatespeople looking for their own web sites etc...but then you also have to multiply that by 4 for a better representation of searchs thru the top 4 se's) for "Adult- Websites" !

Thats been my whole point ..

now lets say I reg..adult-flavors.net ...see NO one is looking for (actually searching) for adult flavors..so it is "on it's own" and that would take massive effort to turn into traffic.and these "no value" apprassials would be correct.

Now on the other hand I already know that adult-websites will get traffic as soon as I get it in the se's because people ARE already searching for "adult websites"

I have used this keyword approach for nearly 2 years now with excellent results..

See my main focus is not trying to reg a domain that might "fit" a certain company it's reging keywords that people are searching for..simple as that..I am trying to take advantage of traffic that is LOOKING for me..instead of registering names and me having to look for traffic..

have a great day...
BID

 

not sure why you need to start a thread to reply? I'm sure you do well generating revenues from search engines but names like this do not have high resale values, if I'm wrong simply point out some auctions where similar hypenated .net's have sold for high amounts.

 

[bidawinner]

Bottom line is they do have value ...and that value is X=N umber of searchs for that word or phrase ...being able to assigns a $ to the value X is based on understanding how much of that traffic you will actually get..

take the 8000 from goto for example..I automatically multiply that by 4 (top se's) = 32,000 searchs every month for "adult websites" -50% for duplicates , webmaster etc.. (just a rough number that I have found is fairly consistent)..

so roughly 16,000 searchs every month for the phrase "adult websites" ... I can usually get 5-6% of total searchs.if allyou get is 3% that is 480 uniques a month ..16 a day...those are mostly uniques because it is TARGETED traffic..

now keep in mind thats 16 people everry day LOOKING for you..you really dont have to put hardly any effort into it..simply slap a page up and sell porn subscriptions $6.95 all the monthly porn you want..sell porn supplies etc.. this is targeted traffic....you should make easily $75 a month off of a simple page and little effort ALL because people are typing in

"adult-websites" so thats it's INHERENT value

Ok..

now I could have registered "adult-flavours" very cathy actually..but you would have to DEVELOP traffic for it..money and lots of effort BECAUSE no one is typing in "adult-flavours"


anyway..thats my model for asigning value to MOST domains that dont get "TRUE TYPEINS"..

I know people that get thosands of hits and make very little ..and they just dont get it..they are not targeting to any specifc market..it's just "run through traffic" ...

Find a market by the words they are using and serve them what they are looking for.

 

Once again, if your sure the name has resale value simply point out some auctions where similar names have sold for high prices.

I would suggest that most of the revenue is the result of the work you put into getting high s/e listings, and not the inherant value of the domain itself. If the domain has inherant value then auction prices would reflect that.

 

[bidawinner]

http://www.erealestate.com/domains.htm

Rick has been registering AND BUYING hyphens for years...and dosent let them go..why do you think that is?

I disagree with the .com thing because with a hyphen you are not getting type-ins anyways...

 

[bidawinner]

snoopy high value is subjective..who said anything about high value?


I just showed you how Adult-Websites.net can would make $75 with little effort...easily a $500 domain...placing well in the SE's STARTS with your domain name...

I know some se's and others will tel you that dosent matter..that simply isnt true..

Keyword domains DO rank higher..for the most part..you will rank lower if you are spamming the engins, link farming etc.. but as long as you are playing it straight the algos give precendent to the keyword domain...thats how it's been the past 5 years and how it will continue ...

I am not concerned about "resale" value I am just seeing if people understand VALUE of a domain...a keyword domains has inherent VALUE because people are looking for it..

Domains that can generate INCOME basically "on it's own" to use your terminology..

I could care less what something "similiar" sold for ..sales vary widely throught the industry..



xzi may sell for $50 but XYZ ..well lets see

http://inventory.overture.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/;$sessionid$C4NSPJAAEL24UCQVLPMASYQ



http://inventory.overture.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/;$sessionid$EHP2JAAAJ5FMGCQVLM4ASYQ

so I just have to laugh when I hear people saying 3 letter domains are selling in this range ..

4 Letter in this range etc..

it almost always boils down to ARE people searching for it..THATS your value..thats the inherent value..not what something "similiar" sold for

we can toss this back and forth all day..but thats pointless..

to each his own..

I do well with my approach and if what you do works for you thenthats really all that matters..

got some running to do..talk to ya later..

and thanks for the debate..

 

buying hypenated .nets? please post up some examples?

I'll ask one more time though its getting very repetitive, if your sure the name has resale value simply point out some auctions where similar names have sold for high prices. I won't ask again.

 

Originally posted by bidawinner


II am not concerned about "resale" value I am just seeing if people understand VALUE of a domain...a keyword domains has inherent VALUE because people are looking for it..

sorry but I think you've missed the point of an appraisal, its is to guage resale, not potantial value if you spent time developing a name. With enough time an effort spent of development virutally any names could be used to generate a profit.

 

[alldig]

i agree with snoopy...I just looked on erealestate.com and he does not have one hyphenated .net . This thread is totally unnecessary....how about we move this to the lounge or delete it. Bidawinner can you ever lose an argument? Or do you have to post a thread to prove you are right. It seems like you like to stir up controversy on DNforum, especially when you receive a comment about one of your names. Your arguments are repetitive as well....I can't seem to see the point you are trying to make in your lengthy replies.

 

Since I no nuffin, now I have a question. Are snoopy and alldig related?

 

brothers? :laugh:

 

[bidawinner]

do you guys even read my posts..who gives a ratss ass about the extension... I SAID
"I disagree with the .com thing because with a hyphen you are not getting type-ins anyways"

Understand NO hyphens get type-in traffic anyways..the extension does NOT matter

alldig quit whinning..if you cant comprehend how to figure out the REAL value of a domain then thats your problem...


snoopy I already answered you question about "similiar" sale auctions..

I DONT GIVE A RATTS ASS ABOUT "SIMILIAR: sales..it has NOTHING to do with Selling the domains
NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with sales..understand that first and foremost..

It is about the inherent VALUE of the name based on SEARCHs for the word or phrase..is that really that difficult for you 2 to understand?

"on it's own" it can generate traffic =$ because people ARE looking for it..

alldig..quit following me around ..dont you have soemthing to do..no big sales lined up ?LOL

 

Twins?

 

[bidawinner]

LOL.. I only wish with could mix some alcohol into the debate ! LOL... NOT !

alldig..I'm not even really peeved at you..I just think you see things only one way and no matter what anyone says ..thats all you'll ever see..so I'l let you go ahead and have the last word..

I dont care about "resale" values..I care only if a domain has an inherent value to generate income with LITTLE effort. If I then offer that domain for sale ..it's value is it's PROVEN ability to generate income...

I have to run now..
later..

 

[bidawinner]

One last thing..just a quick search I came up with.. read under hyphenated domains..

http://www.submerged-ideas.com/valuation/stats.htm

based on sales ..

 

Originally posted by bidawinner



I DONT GIVE A RATTS ASS ABOUT "SIMILIAR: sales..it has NOTHING to do with Selling the domains
NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with sales..understand that first and foremost..

It is about the inherent VALUE of the name based on SEARCHs for the word or phrase..is that really that difficult for you 2 to understand?

this is getting tiresome - so I won't post again in this thread. You've put a name up for appraisal, the point of which is to estimate its value, not its potential value if you spend time developing it.

The link you have provided is to a appraisal company which claims that

"there is very little difference in median sales price betwen hyphenated and non-hyphenated names"

Even though I don't agree with that comment it does very little to add to your claim that adult-websites.net has value, as you've got a hyphenated name PLUS a second rate extension. All I ask is that you post up some links showing where similar names have sold, not hype claims from appraisal companies to justify values.

If the name had inherant value that people like yourself would be willing to buy these at auction, that fact that you aren't able to point out any auctions where these types of names have sold suggests that your generating income principally from your own work, not the inherant value in the domain itself. The fact that you said "who gives a ratss ass about the extension" is even further evidence of this, you could probably go out and register the .ws, .biz, .anything and still get it listed and make money, but that doesn't mean that all these yet to be registered names are valuable! Combined with your own labour than can produce income but on their own they are't worth anything because if the .ws is gone the next person can grab the .bz! There is no scarcity so they have no value!

 

[bidawinner]

snoopy dog you said.."this is getting tiresome - so I won't post again in this thread. You've put a name up for appraisal, the point of which is to estimate its value, not its potential value if you spend time developing it. "

wrong snoopy dog...


Has NOTHING to do with "potential "

I agree this is getting tiresome..mostly because you refuse to listen ..the VAULE is based upon how many searchs are done for that "word"

is it really that difficult form you to grasp?

what are these"auctions" you get blabbering about ..afternic? LOL ebay ? give me a break ?

People arent reging these names for "auctions" they are reging them for INCOME...

has NOTHING to do "combined" with labour.. it ALL boils down to are people ACTUALLY searching for your domain...are they ...then it has some inherent value..if they arent..then it has no inherent value..

roller-skates.net you would claim has no value.. but it DOES have VALUE because these 12,000 searchs every month PROVES it has value..

http://inventory.overture.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/;$sessionid$FHXJ5KIAKEFIMCQVLM4ASYQ

The ONLY question is HOW MUCH value...and that is simply based on how large the market is...

to even consider that "Adult-Websites.Net" has no value is based in ignorance ....

your last arguement also holds no water, ".on their own they are't worth anything because if the .ws is gone the next person can grab the .bz! There is no scarcity so they have no value!"


There isnt ANY scarcity of ANY domain until the major extensions are gone..your point makes no sense ...

as far as that goes there isnt any scarcity of domains PERIOD except the very cream of the crop..SEX.com, Bank.com, mortgage.com etc..names you nor I will ever own..

Those are are long gone and peple sitting around using snapdomains and such allday long trying to get the likes of those are are a snipe hunt. KNow nothing wrong with trying to snap some keyword domains that actually have a market looking for them..but most people still reg rediculas names trying to be "cute" instead of aiming for a market..

 

[ShaunP]

quote from bidawinner post;

"alldig..I'm not even really peeved at you..I just think you see things only one way and no matter what anyone says ..thats all you'll ever see..so I'l let you go ahead and have the last word.."

now that's funny! that sounds a lot more like you bidawinner ...than alldig.

 

i don't think it was unreasonable for snoopy to ask you to support what you have said with some evidence.

why post asking for appraisals on the domain when you think you know best in the first place?