All Domainers: Rumor - .mobi useless because a .com can detect & redirect to a mobile

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All Domainers: Rumor - .mobi useless because a .com can detect & redirect to a mobile

Nuh uh

Generally (guessing: unless you want to code for every phone that will ever come out in the entire world)

!.) You have PCsite.com
2.) You can either
a.) put a redirect to a mobile version
b.) not put a redirect to a mobile version


if A: Users with device capable phones will be forced redirected to a smaller mobile site and WILL BE UNABLE to view the full PC site version "on the go".

if B: Users with phone devices that can not read the entire PC webpage will not be able to view your site.



This is why the redirect argument has largely failed so far.

Can you name 10 "FULL" Dot Com sites using .com mobile re-directs?

Forced mobile re-directs on the .com are not being used because of the need to preserve the whole pc site in-tact for those devices that can see it..


Thus, the most likely scenario is that world phones will have a choice between the preserved whole .com original site (if phone-capable) or a mobile, easier navigatable, small screen internet through "M." or "/mobile" or a ".mobi" domain (phone-capable)

* Most phones still don't have internet, so this is all truly speculation.




Kind Regards,

Yelo

 

[sashas]

Most small businesses and individuals online don't own the respective .mobi of their .com, so redirection is the perfect solution for them

 

[draggar]

Most small businesses and individuals online don't own the respective .mobi of their .com, so redirection is the perfect solution for them

Not just small businesses doing the redirect. CNN.com redirects you to m.cnn.com and so goes GMail. It seems that it is far more popular to redirect the .com to either a directory (cnn.com/mobile) or a subdomain (m.cnn.com) than it is to redirect to the .mobi

IMO - mobi would have been great say 5-8 years ago but now with a lot of mobile devices being able to handle full web support and larger, higher resolution screens there isn't much of a need.

* Most phones still don't have internet, so this is all truly speculation.

Not true. I work for a major wireless communication provider (in the US) and I can say that only a few of our phones come with no internet (low level phones, at most 3 models). All the others I can go to many web sites and either be redirected to a mobile site or see the full browser page (like that you'll see at home).

Can you name 10 "FULL" Dot Com sites using .com mobile re-directs?

www.cnn.com
www.gmail.com
www.sunsentinel.com
www.foxnews.com
www.weather.com
www.local10.com
www.nhc.noaa.gov

Right there is seven without even looking one up. I'm sure if I tried I could quickly find another 3 (I am pretty sure Amazon.com does, too, but last time I checked eBay and MySpace do not).

Forced mobile re-directs on the .com are not being used because of the need to preserve the whole pc site in-tact for those devices that can see it..

Thus, the most likely scenario is that world phones will have a choice between the preserved whole .com original site (if phone-capable) or a mobile, easier navigatable, small screen internet through "M." or "/mobile" or a ".mobi" domain (phone-capable)

The mobile sites also need to be much lower bandwidth since mobile speeds are not as fast as home based speeds. Right now (in the US) our best mobile connections are only around 150KbpS, averaging around 50KbpS to 70KbpS while at home most people have broadband with speeds averaging (actual, not advertised) 1MbpS to 5-7MbpS.

Honestly, the redirects I've seen are actually not that bad. They preserve the point of the pages but don't include a lot of the resource hogging add-ons (flash ads, large pictures, etc..) so they load up quickly as opposed to making the visitor wait.

Generally (guessing: unless you want to code for every phone that will ever come out in the entire world)

That's like saying you want to code for every video card, resolution, and screen size that will ever come out. Most mobile phones have similar browsers, just like the home computer world (IE, FireFox, Safari etc..). You mainly need to optimize it for the size and resolution of the screen on most phones (I do not have this information) of the target audience. A site like MySpace should optimize their mobile version for smaller screens since most of the users are using phones that have smaller screens while a company like Forbes would want to optimize their mobile site for larger screens (like what comes on pocket PC / Palm devices, smart phones) because their clients are more business related and would more likely have one of these devices but both sites would be visible though both screens.

 

[sashas]

most mobi dickheads have never really gone out of their trailers

I haven't seen a single .mobi advertised anywhere in India, but most tv channels advertise their .tv names

So in my book, .tv has got a whole load of more potential than .mobi...by the time the mobi comes to countries like India (which has a shit load of mobile users, btw), it'll already be too late

 

[Ehsan]

most mobi dickheads have never really gone out of their trailers

I haven't seen a single .mobi advertised anywhere in India, but most tv channels advertise their .tv names

So in my book, .tv has got a whole load of more potential than .mobi...by the time the mobi comes to countries like India (which has a shit load of mobile users, btw), it'll already be too late

I wonder if nobody advertised there websites would you even know that the Internet exists ? lol in every comment you compare every bloody thing to India while forgetting many mobile makes like Nokia and Companies like Microsoft are backing .mobi and its cause , i wonder who really is the dickhead here :lol:.......... dont think too much

 

[sashas]

yup dude, Microsoft and Google are backing .mobi thats why they use redirects rather than their .mobi names

And I'm comparing to India because we have a whole load of mobile subscribers, and the second fastest growing mobile user base in the world. Which other market do I need to quote, if not a 300 million strong one? Papua New Guinea?

 

[Ehsan]

yup dude, Microsoft and Google are backing .mobi thats why they use redirects rather than their .mobi names

And I'm comparing to India because we have a whole load of mobile subscribers, and the second fastest growing mobile user base in the world. Which other market do I need to quote, if not a 300 million strong one? Papua New Guinea?

having 300 million subscribers doesn't mean India has got the best Infrastructure to support the latest technology in the mobile world , and how many of these know how to even use all the features of the phone

 

[stock_post]

having 300 million subscribers doesn't mean India has got the best Infrastructure to support the latest technology in the mobile world , and how many of these know how to even use all the features of the phone

So, are you the expert we need to quote from now on!

now I know the h you are referring to

 

[EM @MAJ.com]

Seriously where the dot mobey will go?

My gmail account auto resize when I use my iPhone. Gmail doesn't use dot mobey it is just gmail.com.

I have my .mobi just to redirect to my .com, nothing fancy about it.

 

[Ehsan]

Some People are best left there own way what ever you say or prove they still say they themselves are correct

 

[acronym007]

What I don't get and what I think is smart on the part of big business is not to confuse the consumer. Let the consumer go to the .com for all their needs. It's what the internet was created for, a single website can deliver everything you need to. Why tell Joe Public, go to this website for mobile, this website for home, go to .heli when your on a Helicopter, .cat when your petting your cat... It's crazy, just go to the .com and there is starts and ends, no confusion.

 

[britishbulldog]

It's simple once "spectrum mobile" hits the streets there will be no need fro .this and .that because it will support full fast download tv and internet,it will be just like having your pc in front of you ;-)

 

[RustyK]

People can do whatever they want whether it be .com, .mobi, .tv, etc. It's their choice and their money. I think people try to be the big wizard in the sky and predict things just because someone said this or that. Chill out and let it ride. If you made a good investment so be it and if not, strive on.

I like them all. It's the developing part that's a pain but very profitable.

 

[PRED]

People can do whatever they want whether it be .com, .mobi, .tv, etc. It's their choice and their money. I think people try to be the big wizard in the sky and predict things just because someone said this or that. Chill out and let it ride. If you made a good investment so be it and if not, strive on.

I like them all. It's the developing part that's a pain but very profitable.

Bingo

 

[jasdon11]

most mobi dickheads have never really gone out of their trailers

Wow.....what a snob!

I guess you're related to royalty, huh?

 

[mvl]

If .mobi is useless because .com can do the same as .mobi, then .com is also useless, because .biz can do the same as .com.

.mobi is not a technical thing, but a marketing thing and is very useful as such.

 

[draggar]

If .mobi is useless because .com can do the same as .mobi, then .com is also useless, because .biz can do the same as .com.

.mobi is not a technical thing, but a marketing thing and is very useful as such.

IMO - that's not a good example. When people think of a web address the first thing they think of is a .com (with exception maybe of some ccTLDs, like .de or .co.uk).

To dial com on a phone (using alphanumeric dialing, no preset TLDs and no T9) it is:

222-666-6

To dial mobi it is:

6-666-22-444

7 keystrokes vs. 9

One that could help .mobi is IF the mobile phone manufacturers and providers decide that their browsers will default to a .mobi address when someone types in a domain w/o TLD (like sometimes you can type on CNN and it will take you to cnn.com with some browsers).

Marketing may help but today's phone users who would use this are all about speed (which goes back to the 7 keystrokes vs. 9 keystrokes), which would be negated if the above paragraph did happen (thus forcing many people to register a .mobi and redirecting to their mobile subdomain or just copy it over to the .mobi).

 

[mvl]

IMO - that's not a good example. When people think of a web address the first thing they think of is a .com

Bingo! The .mobi marketing effort should be aimed at making .mobi the first thing people think of when browsing on a phone. One can indeed argue if this will ever happen, but the argument that .com is capable of doing the things .mobi can do (so .mobi would be useless), remains a non-argument.

 

[NameTower]

Why tell Joe Public, go to this website for mobile, this website for home, go to .heli when your on a Helicopter, .cat when your petting your cat... It's crazy, just go to the .com and there is starts and ends, no confusion.

post of the day

 

[draggar]

Bingo! The .mobi marketing effort should be aimed at making .mobi the first thing people think of when browsing on a phone. One can indeed argue if this will ever happen, but the argument that .com is capable of doing the things .mobi can do (so .mobi would be useless), remains a non-argument.

Right now the wireless providers should be jumping all over .mobi and working with the manufacturers to make it so the browsers automatically favor .mobi so when someone types in CNN it goes to CNN.mobi on a wireless device. This is mainly the only thing that can significantly boost .mobi's potential.

Looking at most PDA phones I've used they do include one TLD - .com though.

.mobi would have had tons of potential with 2G networks but now that they're all 3G (well, 2.5G) then the phones will be able to view .com sites easily.