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From cjonline.com:

Man sentenced in obscenity case

For the next two years, a former parochial school teacher in Wichita will have the government watching his every move on the Internet, as part of a plea agreement in a rare federal obscenity case against him.

Jeffrey Klazura, 30, was sentenced for possessing two pictures of adult women posing nude on his home computer.

He was ordered to provide passwords to the government. And federal probation officers can check his computer at any time, or attach software to let them watch his online activity. If he goes to the wrong site, he could be sentenced to prison.

"I'm not familiar with many, if any, prosecutions involving obscenity when the subject is an adult women. That's virtually unheard of," Barry Steinhardt, of the American Civil Liberties Union, said Monday.

A New York-based nonprofit national interfaith organization called Morality in Media Inc. found only seven prosecutions nationwide under any U.S. obscenity law in 2001, the most recent year available. The group also found that many states, including Kansas, hadn't prosecuted a single obscenity case in the years since 1993.

Klazura, who was sentenced earlier this month, got into trouble when he asked a Yahoo photo service to convert pictures of young-looking females from electronic form to photo prints, according to court documents filed by the U.S. Postal Service.

Yahoo notified authorities. After Yahoo told Klazura in an e-mail that the pictures could be illegal, he immediately canceled his order, court records show. But the postal inspector got permission from federal authorities to deliver Klazura's canceled order, leading to his arrest and giving authorities the right to search his home computer.

Klazura was charged with child pornography because the females in some of the photographs delivered to his home looked young. Their ages weren't established in court documents.

After Klazura's lawyer, Dan Monnat, accused the government of trapping Klazura into a criminal action, the U.S. attorney offered a plea for the lesser obscenity charges, stemming from the two pictures of nude adult women found on his home computer.
 
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Originally posted by ReignDomain
Klazura was charged with child pornography because the females in some of the photographs delivered to his home looked young. Their ages weren't established in court documents.

Charged with 'child pornography' with no evidence? That's crazy.
 

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Originally posted by NamePopper.com


Charged with 'child pornography' with no evidence? That's crazy.

You're next popper. ;)
 

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You're next popper. ;)


i thought popper did not like photos of "women", may be mistaken though in a court of law..
 

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Originally posted by bidawinner
and the rest of the story..
http://www.morningsun.net/stories/032702/kan_0327020045.shtml
my bet is it is extremely clear these were "girls" not women..and to top it off he his a school teacher..
afraid? nah..

Bid - your article is almost a year old when the guy was 'charged'. The one Reign posted is recent when he was 'sentenced' - and states clearly there was no evidence showing the females were under legal age.

So if that's the case (and apparently it is) then the guy did nothing wrong.

His occupation has nothing to do with it either. Since when are schoolteachers not allowed to look at naked women in the privacy of their own home? What next? Schoolteachers can't have sex? Or kids? Or raise families?
 

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trivallising it as usual.. and ignoring all other posts...


art teachers have to look at naked women... well in the uk they are allowed to , (my art teacher and I loved rubens,not together)

my wife is an artist and she has some quality pictures, for educationaly use.. and study..

wilco
 

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Originally posted by NamePopper.com


Bid - your article is almost a year old when the guy was 'charged'. The one Reign posted is recent when he was 'sentenced' - and states clearly there was no evidence showing the females were under legal age.

So if that's the case (and apparently it is) then the guy did nothing wrong.

His occupation has nothing to do with it either. Since when are schoolteachers not allowed to look at naked women in the privacy of their own home? What next? Schoolteachers can't have sex? Or kids? Or raise families?

I disagree with you popper..

You can bet these were "girls" ..otherwise he never would have been sentensed..and IF that is the case then he has absolutely no business being a school teacher.


Dont get me wrong IF it were that he was just browsing "women" ..then this is a lame decision...

Tell you what..I use to research court cases.. I'll see If I cant find the file on this case. ;
 

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Well I'm just going by the information presented so far.

Klazura was charged with child pornography because the females in some of the photographs delivered to his home looked young. Their ages weren't established in court documents.

That information looks pretty clear - but like the females in the pictures - we don't know for sure.

Also - people have been sentenced for crimes they didn't commit many times before - only to have the sentence later removed when their innocence was proven. So that's not a real strong argument given the apparent lack of proof in this case.

However - if you can provide proof that the girls were under age - then I'm sure we will agree with you.
 

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Originally posted by NamePopper.com
Well I'm just going by the information presented so far.

Klazura was charged with child pornography because the females in some of the photographs delivered to his home looked young. Their ages weren't established in court documents.

That information looks pretty clear - but like the females in the pictures - we don't know for sure.

Also - people have been sentenced for crimes they didn't commit many times before - only to have the sentence later removed when their innocence was proven. So that's not a real strong argument given the apparent lack of proof in this case.

However - if you can provide proof that the girls were under age - then I'm sure we will agree with you.

Let me put it this way.. "I" know when 15 year old girl when I see one...I dont need no ID..I am assuming that the prosecutor's office and the Judge also have this BASIC ability to distinquish between a CHILD and and adult.. as does every Bartender in America..


I wil give the benefit of doubt to the all the people involved for the case even to get to the judge before I give it to someone (with PHOTO evidence) of messing in child pornography...
 

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Originally posted by unclewilco
i thought Tatu where 18 so, its difficult.....

I thought 'Tatu' was the little guy on Fantasy Island that yelled.....

Look Boss - The plane The plane!

.... at the beginning of each episode.
 

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wossname - what does that word mean and how is it pronounced? sorry to interrupt your victory thread wilco but I see it used by our good friends from across the pond all the time and would like to know.
 

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Originally posted by bidawinner


Let me put it this way.. "I" know when 15 year old girl when I see one...I dont need no ID..I am assuming that the prosecutor's office and the Judge also have this BASIC ability to distinquish between a CHILD and and adult.. as does every Bartender in America..

Where did the number 15 come from? What about 17?

What about 17 / 11 months / 364 days? Nobody can tell the difference between that and 18.
 

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Originally posted by NamePopper.com


Where did the number 15 come from? What about 17?

What about 17 / 11 months / 364 days? Nobody can tell the difference between that and 18.

Thast right nobody can..thats why this case wasnt about a 17 year old....

You have Yahoo, the FBI, the Postal Inspector, the prosecutors etc.. at any one of those steps..they would have said ..I dont JOe..she could be seventeen or she could be 18 and they would have dropped it..

my point is simply that the photo's must have been OBVIOUS that these were young girls..

4 stages along the line and they ALL were in agreement ..

so I'm not buying this "could" have been 17 nonsense.. if that were the case HIS lawyer would have advise that he challenge..IMO

The only thing sleazier than him being a child porn perve is the FBIand Postal inspectors startegy of entrapment..the Guy canceled his order to have the photo's printed at Yahoo after Yahoo told him they were probably illegeal..well the FBI and Postal inspectors went and a "mailed" them anyways and busted him when he sign for the photo's..

thats also very sleazy.. but which leads us back to ...his lawyer knew that was also entrapemnt..so the defence "could have had "entrapment and cant prove the girls were minors..

but yet he still pleads guilty (to a lessor charge..still a felony though)..so I'm not buying his is some poor innocent person that was simply browsing adult women porn..

If you believe it..fine by me..

but I'm not falling for it...
 

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Originally posted by Larry
wossname - what does that word mean and how is it pronounced? sorry to interrupt your victory thread wilco but I see it used by our good friends from across the pond all the time and would like to know.

Wossname - generally used when we are p*ssed and can't remember the subject of a conversation, or what we're talking about, or who we're talking about or to whom - so we say "wossname" in the hope that everyone else knows what we're talking about even if we don't and if they don't it doesn't matter because wossname can mean anything.

Hope that clears it up :D.
 

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Originally posted by bidawinner
The only thing sleazier than him being a child porn perve is the FBIand Postal inspectors startegy of entrapment..the Guy canceled his order to have the photo's printed at Yahoo after Yahoo told him they were probably illegeal..well the FBI and Postal inspectors went and a "mailed" them anyways and busted him when he sign for the photo's..

I agree with that. When he cancelled the order immediately after being told they 'might' be illegal - that should have been the end of it - or at the very least been a major argument in his defense.
 
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