Domaining gone CRAZY!!!

[Gerry]

Some interesting observations based on some recent word scans in the past couple of days.

Of the 15,000 most popular/commonly used English dictionary words,

Only 6 remain unregistered in the dot com
Only 31 remain unregistered in the dot net

A vast majority have also been registered as dot info and dot org.

Regarding N-N-N.com, there are 1000 total possible combinations.

On August 8, 2007, there were 617 available. As of this writing, only 547 remain.

With the recent surge in prices of the LVLV.com (also known as cvcv.com), it was only a matter of time before the dot net would be mined. You might want to refer to it as “strip mining”.

Of a possible 7,225 possible letter combinations (excluding the letters q, x, y, z), all cvcv.net have been registered. ALL OF THEM.

Other popular sequences are:

vcvc.net- 7,225 possible combinations (with noted exclusions) 1,789 available.
vvvv.net- 625 possible combinations, 190 are available.


These are scans that I have personally conducted. The last two mentioned within the past hour or so.

The numbers are staggering and are a clear indication that the domain industry is very, very vibrant.

With the depletion of dictionary English words in the .com and .net and other combinations, domainers will start to tap into other markets.

This includes .mobi as being a potential for speculators.

Is this a good thing?

We all know that not every word in every extension has intrinsic value. Just “perceived” value. So, yes, there will be speculators jumping in and mining for any possible letter combo and english word and wanting to make a fast (or long term) buck on it.

But the end result may indeed be a slew of .mobi's dropping like flies as speculators can not unload it like they thought they could. Already I am seeing some garbage on ebay (not necessarily from any members) as these are the clever crowd who think by stringing words, letters, numbers together in any combination will sell...and for big bucks.

This trend is very likely to continue until the .asia is released in a few months. Then that scrum will be on.

It is not my intent on making this a pro-mobi/anti-mobi post. But there are some important points to make.

Many mobi naysayers will use next years drops as an indication of the failure of .mobi.

Remind them of these stats; on this day, 10,190 domains are dropping comprised of only the .com, .net, .info, and .org TLD’s. None are .mobi.

 

[Luke]

What are these words ?

 

[hugegrowth]

.mobi wouldn't be dropping yet for another year. the original regs were two year only, then it changed to one year. so late 2008, early 2009 will probably see the first .mobi's dropping.

sometimes i wonder if internet growth can sustain all the domain speculation and stockpiling of names. but I think the market for good names in the top extensions will continue to hold. the fact that developing and monetizing websites is getting somewhat easier and cheaper helps too. still lots of people out there who don't have internet connection and haven't built websites yet.

 

[Gerry]

.mobi wouldn't be dropping yet for another year. the original regs were two year only, then it changed to one year. so late 2008, early 2009 will probably see the first .mobi's dropping.

sometimes i wonder if internet growth can sustain all the domain speculation and stockpiling of names. but I think the market for good names in the top extensions will continue to hold. the fact that developing and monetizing websites is getting somewhat easier and cheaper helps too. still lots of people out there who don't have internet connection and haven't built websites yet.

The mobi will start to fall around March as this is about when it went to one year.

But you bring up some very good points. Sometimes I wonder if I can sustain my stockpile. As I mentioned to someone just a moment ago, I need 30 hours in a day instead of 24 to get everything done.

But I was absolutely shocked by these numbers. I forsee all N-N-N.com being gone in no time if not by one deep pocketed speculator. There is a massive market for this that people don't realize. The Chinese especially love numbers and do not mind hyphens at all. And the search engines do not recognize the hyphen when returning results. There may be more returned with a straight up NNN but the hyphen can still be in the millions of results.

As for the cvcv.net, that one really caught me by surprise. I had been digging in this for about a year, along with vvvv.net, but saw no need to be anxious to reg them.

Again, huge for the asian traffic. I have several that get traffic in the thousands per month but not much in the CTR or pay out.

 

[hugegrowth]

right, I was off in my timing for the .mobi drops, the one year's should start early 2008 like you said, then another wave Oct/Nov 2008. You would think that the names regged at landrush would be good ones that most people wouldn't drop, but I'm sure some will anyway. It will be interesting to see what .mobi dropped names go for at places like Pool and other drop auctions, that will tell a lot about the market.

reading positive posts on N-N-N.com make me want to be the guy who cleans the rest out... I know there are pros and cons but the limited number of them and the universitality of numbers outweighs the cons. I think this is a niche that was overlooked by a long time, partly due to the dislike of the dash.

I'm also looking at nice, pronouncable LLLLL.com now, short made-up words.

 

[acesfull]

reading positive posts on N-N-N.com make me want to be the guy who cleans the rest out... I know there are pros and cons but the limited number of them and the universitality of numbers outweighs the cons. I think this is a niche that was overlooked by a long time, partly due to the dislike of the dash.

I'm one of those anti-dash people. (Damn, I had to use a dash in "anti-dash")

I'm also looking at nice, pronouncable LLLLL.com now, short made-up words.

Short made-up words can be the most valuable!

 

[hugegrowth]

to add to the domaining gone crazy subject, summer will be over in a few weeks and more people will be back to business.

and aren't there one or two books coming out on domaining or big domainers?

 

[tetrapak]

(Damn, I had to use a dash in "anti-dash")
Short made-up words can be the most valuable!

Yet another one! :yes:

I wish i owned a few of those nasty L-L.com's !

 

[Gerry]

I'm one of those anti-dash people. (Damn, I had to use a dash in "anti-dash")

Short made-up words can be the most valuable!

both, any, all, anything can be most valuable to the end user.

Some of my largest sales ever contained a hyphen (3 of my top 7 sales have been L-L.com).

That is why I mentioned percieved value. What we percieve as worthless someone else percieves as a gem. I have been beyond amazed at what I am seeing final hammer prices of domains in general and many do contain hyphens.

right, I was off in my timing for the .mobi drops, the one year's should start early 2008 like you said, then another wave Oct/Nov 2008. You would think that the names regged at landrush would be good ones that most people wouldn't drop, but I'm sure some will anyway. It will be interesting to see what .mobi dropped names go for at places like Pool and other drop auctions, that will tell a lot about the market.

reading positive posts on N-N-N.com make me want to be the guy who cleans the rest out... I know there are pros and cons but the limited number of them and the universitality of numbers outweighs the cons. I think this is a niche that was overlooked by a long time, partly due to the dislike of the dash.

I'm also looking at nice, pronouncable LLLLL.com now, short made-up words.

Good points. But, how many people are members of this forum? vs. the universal population?

The end user may not and will most likely NOT be a domainer, will never read this, and knows nothing about what works EXCEPT what works for them. So that dislike for the "dash" is purely from a domainers' point of view, not necessarily the comsumer.

That is why for years I have been buying L-L TLD's with dashes and never giving it a second thought. All those years, the "experts" were saying;

only dot com
no numbers
only seven letters maximum
no hyphens

That is great advice when mining for domains as little as 5 years ago and the standard 8-10 years ago. But to see those same "experts" spewing the same rules today? Absurd.

Not to mention that many felt then and still believe today that the internet is solely and primarily for the use of English speakers. Therefore, what we say goes.

I'll put some faith in the 1.5 billion Chinese population market that a great many of them know a few things about domaining and they will pay for what they want...regardless of the thoughts of any and all of us on these forums.

And many of the European countries prefer the .net and hyphens as the alternative to the .com.

 

[H2FC]

I guess this is a good place to add this little info. Most everybody knows "H2" stands for hydrogen and most also know hydrogen is becoming more popular everyday as the search for alternative energy intensifies.

When 'H2' is added to 2 letters to form a 4 charactor domain it becomes a likely choice for a company in the hydrogen field who would use it for their product or company name. I suspect there are many companies in that field now and there will be a lot more before long.

If my math is right there is 26x26x3 for a total of only 2028 possible names putting 'H2' with 2 letters in a 4 charactor dotcom domain name. I believe that over half of them are already registered.

I know many will say 'yea, right, maybe in 10 years or so'. Well, I look at it like this, I can register a name for less than $70 for 10 years. By then some of those 4 charactor domains with the H2 symbol for hydrogen may be as valuable as the good 4 letter names are now.

I wish I had the money to register all thats left....its a pretty good investment I think.

 

[HomerJ]

And the search engines do not recognize the hyphen when returning results

i have a feeling that this works against the hyphen, as if i google 1-2-3 results for 123 will be returned. but that may some day change. i picked one up anyway recently on speculation. but i'm also wondering why if it is so popular w/ the asian market, then why there are any left at all, much less 547, which doesn't sound like much but its actually 54.7%, over half unregged. and i attribute the 70 or so sales within the last week all to the hype being generated on this forum (not to say they are not valuable, but they are getting 'hyped') which leads me to wonder if this is not a deliberate move to get the ball rolling with these N-N-N's and get them all regged as quickly as possible so they can start appreciating. just my thoughts.

 

[Gerry]

i have a feeling that this works against the hyphen, as if i google 1-2-3 results for 123 will be returned. but that may some day change. i picked one up anyway recently on speculation. but i'm also wondering why if it is so popular w/ the asian market, then why there are any left at all, much less 547, which doesn't sound like much but its actually 54.7%, over half unregged. and i attribute the 70 or so sales within the last week all to the hype being generated on this forum (not to say they are not valuable, but they are getting 'hyped') which leads me to wonder if this is not a deliberate move to get the ball rolling with these N-N-N's and get them all regged as quickly as possible so they can start appreciating. just my thoughts.

All speculation is hype...all hype speculation.

Take out the N-N-N segment of the post. Look at the other news.

No hype here. The mining of the .net is fast zipping by. Much faster than I had originally antipated.

The reference to the Asian market is for the hyphen in general. And they don't mind the .net extension at all...as well as many of the European markets.

Now, go back to the N-N-N segment of the post. But this time, substitute L-L-L. There are a potential 17,576 combinations. Care to guess how many are left?

I am sure someone here can confirm this as I did see reference to another post, but I believe there are less than 6,000. So two-thirds are gone not so much on "hype" but a great many on end user not wanting to pay XX,XXX for an LLL.

I think it took someone to realize that NNN.com is fetching very respectable prices and soon realized that rather than the nearly 18,000 L-L-L being valuable (in time as still many left), the depletion and limited number of N-N-N was perhaps even more of a done deal and would create a market unto itself.

So yes, hype and speculation. One in the same when it comes to domaining most of the time. But think globally and mathematically. There are only 100 combinations of NN and N-N. There are only 1000 combinations of NNN and N-N-N.

Supply vs. demand, demand vs. supply.

As I said, the number of members reading this thread is a non-factor compared to the billions of companies and people in the global market place looking to create a web presence. Whether these people or companies are the end user or are domainer, speculators, or business people, the fact remains that a great portion of what we are witnessing is supply vs. demand and viable alternatives to high priced domains such as LL and LLL and NN and NNN.

So the very market itself may be dictating the hype and the speculation, just like the stock market.

But knowing what we know regarding the limited (not limitless) availability of these domains may be fueling some of the hype and speculation.

I am still more amazed at the .net disappearing even more so than the .com L-L-L and N-N-N. It is no surprise that this would happen based on the prices of cvcv.com but I never anticipated this quickly. This was certainly not the case a few months ago.

 

[Creature]

Of the 15,000 most popular/commonly used English dictionary words,

Many thanks Doc Com. Please can you say how many of the 15,000 are four letter words? I seem to remember about 2000 but please confirm if possible. Creature.

 

[PRED]

A

Now, go back to the N-N-N segment of the post. But this time, substitute L-L-L. There are a potential 17,576 combinations. Care to guess how many are left?

I am sure someone here can confirm this as I did see reference to another post, but I believe there are less than 6,000. So two-thirds are gone not so much on "hype" but a great many on end user not wanting to pay XX,XXX for an LLL.

I think it took someone to realize that NNN.com is fetching very respectable prices and soon realized that rather than the nearly 18,000 L-L-L being valuable (in time as still many left), the depletion and limited number of N-N-N was perhaps even more of a done deal and would create a market unto itself.





I am still more amazed at the .net disappearing even more so than the .com L-L-L and N-N-N. It is no surprise that this would happen based on the prices of cvcv.com but I never anticipated this quickly. This was certainly not the case a few months ago.

Hi Doc,
great thread mate.
Agree with all you've said, though personally hate nets.
I find the elastic digs in top of my thighs :-#: :smilewinkgrin:

Anyway, personally i see great potential in good LLLL. i stress good or great.
There is HUGE potential for endusers for L-L-L.com imho
(N-N-N.com will swap hands with domainers trading etc imo)

Check out this slice of developed L-L-L.com sites, there's bloody tons out there, it's not new, just that Domainers have been snobs for too long. Of course LLL is first choice. Whats next?
Not LLLL for the thousands of other firms with the same letters, unless its got a c or l on the end.
Here we go:



www.a-c-h.com
www.a-j-h.com
www.a-m-w.com
www.a-p-k.com
www.a-p-u.com
www.a-t-d.com
www.b-e-d.com
www.b-b-c.com
www.b-h-a.com
www.b-i-f.com
www.b-a-f.com
www.b-g-c.com
www.b-h-a.com
www.b-h-m.com
www.b-l-b.com
www.b-v-b.com
www.c-b-g.com
www.c-c-u.com
www.c-f-u.com
www.c-g-s.com
www.c-r-x.com
www.c-s-d.com
www.c-v-e.com
www.d-a-w.com
www.d-a-r.com
www.d-a-i.com
www.d-a-p.com
www.d-a-w.com
www.d-g-s.com
www.d-i-e.com
www.d-o-o.com
www.d-s-g.com
www.d-v-w.com
www.d-x-x.com
www.e-a-l.com
www.e-a-s.com
www.e-b-i.com
www.e-b-c.com
www.e-b-f.com
www.e-b-a.com
www.e-b-b.com
WWW.E-N-T.COM
WWW.E-R-T.COM
WWW.E-H-G.COM
WWW.E-S-T.COM
WWW.E-D-C.COM
WWW.E-A-B.COM
www.e-d-a.com
www.e-d-f.com
www.e-i-b.com
www.e-s-f.com
www.e-s-t.com
www.e-t-j.com
www.e-u-l.com
WWW.F-E-H.COM
WWW.F-E-E.COM
WWW.F-E-N.COM
WWW.F-E-B.COM
WWW.F-E-W.COM
WWW.F-E-S.COM
WWW.F-E-U.COM
WWW.F-A-P.COM
WWW.F-A-R.COM
WWW.F-A-F.COM
WWW.F-A-Y.COM
WWW.F-A-S.COM
WWW.F-A-Q.COM
WWW.F-A-L.COM
WWW.F-A-E.COM
WWW.F-A-A.COM
WWW.F-O-P.COM
WWW.F-O-G.COM
WWW.F-O-D.COM
WWW.F-O-C.COM
WWW.F-O-X.COM
WWW.F-O-M.COM
WWW.F-O-U.COM
WWW.F-O-A.COM
WWW.F-O-I.COM
WWW.F-R-R.COM
www.f-h-h.com
www.f-k-c.com
www.f-n-l.com
www.f-o-m.com
www.f-r-v.com
www.f-t-c.com
www.g-a-h.com
www.g-b-i.com
www.g-i-o.com
www.g-i-r.com
www.g-k-b.com
www.g-p-t.com
www.g-t-g.com
www.h-c-f.com
www.h-d-i.com
www.h-n-c.com
www.h-s-e.com
www.h-u-t.com
www.h-w-o.com
www.i-d-d.com
www.i-f-r.com
www.i-g-u.com
www.i-h-g.com
www.i-i-l.com
www.i-p-v.com
www.i-v-n.com
www.j-d-k.com
www.j-f-a.com
www.j-o-c.com
www.j-s-f.com
www.j-s-v.com
www.k-k-m.com
www.k-m-i.com
www.k-u-m.com
www.k-v-p.com
www.k-w-a.com

WWW.L-A-S.COM
WWW.L-A-U.COM
WWW.L-A-I.COM
WWW.L-A-D.COM
WWW.L-A-G.COM
WWW.L-A-D.COM
WWW.L-A-H.COM
WWW.L-A-K.COM
WWW.L-A-C.COM
WWW.L-A-B.COM
WWW.L-A-N.COM
WWW.L-S-E.COM (NICE)
WWW.L-S-B.COM
WWW.L-S-M.COM
WWW.L-S-L.COM
WWW.L-S-R.COM
WWW.L-S-G.COM (LOL)
WWW.L-O-T.COM
WWW.L-O-S.COM
WWW.L-O-M.COM
WWW.L-P-M.COM
WWW.L-P-H.COM
WWW.L-P-W.COM
WWW.L-P-A.COM
WWW.L-T-M.COM
WWW.L-T-G.COM
WWW.L-T-A.COM
WWW.L-T-U.COM
WWW.L-I-C.COM
WWW.L-I-B.COM
WWW.L-I-A.COM
WWW.L-I-D.COM
WWW.L-I-E.COM
WWW.L-I-W.COM
www.l-k-a.com
www.l-o-d.com
www.l-p-p.com
www.l-v-e.com
www.p-b-a.com
www.p-m-a.com
www.p-s-a.com
www.p-i-a.com
www.p-t-a.com
www.p-h-a.com
www.p-a-b.com
www.p-a-g.com
www.p-e-m.com
www.s-p-a.com
www.s-t-a.com
www.s-d-a.com
www.g-m-i.com
www.g-m-d.com
www.m-a-i.com
www.m-a-g.com
www.m-a-t.com
www.m-c-n.com
www.m-c-p.com
www.m-c-s.com
www.m-d-c.com
www.m-f-b.com
www.m-f-d.com
www.m-i-s.com
www.m-j-a.com
www.m-m-d.com
www.m-t-j.com
www.n-a-n.com
www.n-a-p.com
www.n-a-c.com
www.n-e-r.com
www.n-n-a.com
www.n-e-p.com
www.n-m-p.com
www.n-a-b.com
www.n-c-r.com
www.n-d-i.com
www.n-r-p.com
www.n-y-c.com
www.o-b-t.com
www.o-i-g.com
www.o-m-a.com
www.p-e-p.com
www.p-c-g.com
www.p-w-p.com
www.q-r-n.com
www.r-d-g.com
www.r-g-c.com
www.r-g-e.com
www.r-w-g.com
www.r-i-z.com
www.r-k-d.com
www.r-p-l.com
www.r-q-s.com
www.r-r-r.com
www.r-u-k.com
www.s-k-d.com
www.s-o-w.com
www.s-p-f.com
www.s-r-p.com
www.s-s-s.com
www.s-u-k.com
www.s-u-n.com
www.s-w-a.com
www.s-v-s.com
www.s-y-v.com
www.t-a-w.com
www.t-i-i.com
www.t-i-e.com
www.t-i-w.com
www.t-a-c.com
www.t-a-a.com
www.t-b-k.com
www.t-d-o.com
www.t-e-c.com
www.t-f-p.com
www.t-l-w.com
www.t-s-g.com
www.u-i-f.com
www.u-l-i.com
www.v-b-h.com
www.v-f-c.com
www.v-o-a.com
www.v-s-m.com
www.v-t-e.com
www.w-d-w.com
www.w-k-m.com
www.w-u-d.com
www.x-a-n.com
www.x-d-p.com
www.x-n-x.com
www.x-y-f.com
www.y-b-c.com
www.z-b-t.com
www.z-a-c.com
www.z-a-g.com
www.z-a-l.com
www.z-a-t.com
www.z-b-s.com
www.z-b-t.com
www.z-b-w.com
www.m-c-l.com
www.w-t-e.com
www.m-b-a.com
www.w-t-p.com
www.m-c-i.com
www.c-s-a.com
www.c-c-i.com
www.d-a-l.com
www.t-a-r.com
www.G-E-M.com
www.D-A-D.com
www.J-V-B.com
www.B-Q-C.com
www.N-R-T.com
www.N-A-D.com
www.S-I-T.com
www.C-A-M.com
www.N-A-B.com
www.M-S-I.com
www.S-M-S.com
www.D-H-E.com
www.E-M-I.com
www.S-D-I.com
www.F-A-R.com
www.X-X-X.com
www.A-B-C.com
www.S-N-M.com
www.T-N-A.com
www.E-A-A.com
www.J-O-P.com
www.R-T-E.com
www.G-F-D.com
www.L-L-P.com
www.M-T-T.com
www.B-C-D.com
www.C-A-B.com
www.F-E-N.com
www.D-R-S.com
www.R-E-D.com
www.Y-T-B.com
www.B-R-Y.com
www.l-e-d.com
www.p-m-l.com
www.p-m-i.com
www.c-d-m.com
www.r-r-c.com
www.l-c-d.com
www.i-v-p.com
www.r-e-p.com
www.r-s-a.com
www.f-f-a.com
www.d-r-e.com
www.s-t-a.com

 

[Gerry]

Many thanks Doc Com. Please can you say how many of the 15,000 are four letter words? I seem to remember about 2000 but please confirm if possible. Creature.

Wow, that I have no idea of. In all honesty, it may have been less because we are talking about one letter words (a, I,) two letter words (if, it, is, an) that are on the list and needless to say are not available, along with most three letter words. Keep in mind that these would be the most commonly used Dictionary Words. I never did a count based on word length.

Check out this slice of developed L-L-L.com sites, there's bloody tons out there, it's not new, just that Domainers have been snobs for too long. Of course LLL is first choice. Whats next?
Not LLLL for the thousands of other firms with the same letters, unless its got a c or l on the end.
Here we go:

Pred!!! That is an amazing dig!!!

I had no idea where or how or who came up with that list but that is simply amazing!

Here I am trying to fend off the accusations of hype for the L-L-L and N-N-N and the hyphen in general when you come up with this. This just made my response so much easier.

You da beast of beasts!:whoo:

 

[hugegrowth]

I'm surprised at all the L-L-L developped sites. Almost all I checked don't even redirect.

 

[PRED]

I had no idea where or how or who came up with that list but that is simply amazing!


You da beast of beasts!:whoo:

Tip of the iceberg.
will show hundreds more in time
The Pred got a thread running elsewhere about it. Started it up to prove a point. Also greta research to show endusers, few nice examples etc. even show how long some been running.
Thought i'd share, good resource for us all.
Yep, i am a beast. LOL

 

[whitebark]

I must say though - and I search often - I have yet to see one of those L-L-L.com's in the search results. Maybe just luck, maybe something else?

 

[PRED]

I'm surprised at all the L-L-L developped sites. Almost all I checked don't even redirect.

Scores more, just an example list
Some that do redirect are because they owned originally word-word-word.com & wanted the L-L-L.com for better marketing & memorability
Haven't checked all though. Some really nice sites amongst them.

Other reasons for regging:

Maybe the LLL was regged in '94 or is being warehoused, or the owners asking 300k if answering at all.
Maybe the original LLL is an extensive deevloped site & will never come up for sale? Lots of reasons.
One things for sure, out of all the other alternatives, it's the second best option imho.
Or maybe try to nail the mobi :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Gerry]

I must say though - and I search often - I have yet to see one of those L-L-L.com's in the search results. Maybe just luck, maybe something else?

I am guessing, and this is a guess, that perhaps the results would be tremendously different for the SE's in Europe???

Most seem to be Euro in origin and there has been a growing market over there. Perhaps members from the EU can shed some light on this.

If people are seaching google.de or google.fr, are the results the same?

Is the same true for Yahoo?

The same may also hold true for SE's like baidu.com and google.cn.