eNom now watching WHOIS lookups, and catching at drops

[JuniperPark]

I generally am a fan of eNom, been with them for many years and for the most part think they're the best. But I've seen something disturbing lately.

I check the drop lists and often "hand reg" a few so-so domains at drop time. Been doing this ever since mass "domain tasting" was essentially shut down.

But a few months ago, I suddenly got less successful, on occasion other drop catchers had gotten them of course, but around 90% were being registered to eNom's legal department. HUH???

I realized that eNom was clearing purchasing domains *I* was trying to purchase, as they dropped, and registering them to their own legal department. We are talking about domains with clearly low value, no traffic, and my WHOIS checks were at eNom just an hour or two before the drop. I then went back to my list and looked at other names from the same drop that I had NOT done lookups on, and they were AVAILABLE. Clearly my lookups and purchase attempts were triggering eNom to purchase for themselves.

I considered the possibility that perhaps someone else is doing the same hand reg attempts I am but is faster at it, AND buying whois privacy at $8/domain name. Maybe....But 90% of the time? No way.

The evidence gets worse: About 80% of those names get dropped after a few days. That leaves us with only 2 possibilities:

1) Some other person happens to be going after the same domains I am but types much faster, pays $8 per domain name to hide his identity, then DROPS most of those domains after a few days, or....

2) eNom is hijacking my purchases and 'domain tasting' them, keeping any with traffic and releasing the others.

 

[draggar]

I'm sure it is only a matter of time before everyone is harvesting WhoIs lookups but I think all registrars already have their own aftermarket to attempt to sell unrenewed domains.

 

[Theo]

Use whois.sc or v3whois.com or betterwhois.com

 

[Ownager]

I've noticed the SAME thing lately with enom... really shady....

I too am interested in what's really going on. Hand reg's on drops were a lot easier a few months ago... very hard to grab anything good now.

 

[JuniperPark]

OH... I forget the most important part!

eNom has SHUT OFF hand regging for about an hour around the drops each day. Names that show as "UNAVAILABLE" at enom are "AVAILABLE" at all other registrars.

I guess that makes things easier for the their own catching service to beat you.

 

[Gerry]

I hate enom with a passion and I do not understand why people like them.

Only recently have I began purchasing domains that are at enom. I have them pushed to my account and get them the hell out of there as soon as possible.

I would estimate that I passed up 4 years worth of domains I did not buy because they were with an enom account holder.

 

[JuniperPark]

I hate enom with a passion and I do not understand why people like them.

Only recently have I began purchasing domains that are at enom. I have them pushed to my account and get them the hell out of there as soon as possible.

I would estimate that I passed up 4 years worth of domains I did not buy because they were with an enom account holder.

I like them because they have the best API in the world, the easiest and cleanest user interface, a bulk change command that actually works, no domain lock on simple domain changes, only 7 day lock on push (Godaddy has a 60 day lock on anything), and easy sub-account setup so I can complete an entire sale and push to owner in under 2 minutes. No other registrar can do all of that.

 

[Gerry]

I like them because they have the best API in the world, the easiest and cleanest user interface, a bulk change command that actually works, no domain lock on simple domain changes, only 7 day lock on push (Godaddy has a 60 day lock on anything), and easy sub-account setup so I can complete an entire sale and push to owner in under 2 minutes. No other registrar can do all of that.

I guess my main issue is theft of four domains perhaps 4-5 years back. 3 character .com's.

I have no idea how their reseller program works.

Here is the scenario.

Purchased 4 LLN.com.

I submitted a transfer request.

Seller comes back and basically says "oops, I thought you wanted them in eNom account. I created one for you."

I was pretty pissed as I had clearly indicated that I would transfer them to my Moniker account. They had perhaps 1 and 1/2 months left before renewing. Now I had to go back and cancel all the transfer requests and request refund.

When I wanted the auth number, I could not find it or get it. I had to go through this same person to get these.

Guess what.

He never supplied them.

I lost the domain names and my money.

So, because of this asswipe and the way eNom had their reseller's do some kind of tiered shit and eNom WOULD NOT ASSIST me, eNom can kiss all domains I purchase goodbye.

 

[chillking]

I noticed but for them to be regging every thing the must be getting some good sales because it must cost huge money .

 

[JuniperPark]

I guess my main issue is theft of four domains perhaps 4-5 years back. 3 character .com's.

I have no idea how their reseller program works.

Here is the scenario.

Purchased 4 LLN.com.

I submitted a transfer request.

Seller comes back and basically says "oops, I thought you wanted them in eNom account. I created one for you."

I was pretty pissed as I had clearly indicated that I would transfer them to my Moniker account. They had perhaps 1 and 1/2 months left before renewing. Now I had to go back and cancel all the transfer requests and request refund.

When I wanted the auth number, I could not find it or get it. I had to go through this same person to get these.

Guess what.

He never supplied them.

I lost the domain names and my money.

So, because of this asswipe and the way eNom had their reseller's do some kind of tiered shit and eNom WOULD NOT ASSIST me, eNom can kiss all domains I purchase goodbye.

Doc Com -- you're describing a problem with an individual eNom reseller, not eNom's system. Although I don't like how they refuse to support people with accounts under a reseller.

 

[Gerry]

Doc Com -- you're describing a problem with an individual eNom reseller, not eNom's system. Although I don't like how they refuse to support people with accounts under a reseller.

That's all I need to not like eNom.

It is some bizarre tiered structured reseller thingamajiggy.

eNom created it and endorsed it.

And eNom customer service would not assist me.

Live and learn. This was several years ago and perhaps my first experience with enom and I lost 4 LLN.com's because of this jerk. What a gimmick...sell domains, create an account for the buyer, place names into account, and then do not grant full access to account. Keep the money and keep the names. What a great way to run business!

Seriouisly, you have no idea of the gems of names I have passed up simply because they are at enom.

Wether it was a reseller does not matter to me. It was the lack of support.

If you buy a Ford from the local dealer but take it in for repairs and that same dealer does not honor the warranty, who are you going to call? Ford motor company. And if they do nothing there is a damn good chance you'll never buy a Ford again.

(I should have used Renault as an example instead of Ford. This actually happened with a Renault we bought eons ago. When we moved here to NC the local dealer would not honor the Warranty that came with the car saying we did not buy the car from them. Called Renault and they said there was nothing they could do as this was a private dealership.)

 

[JuniperPark]

That's all I need to not like eNom.

It is some bizarre tiered structured reseller thingamajiggy.

eNom created it and endorsed it.

And eNom customer service would not assist me.

Live and learn. This was several years ago and perhaps my first experience with enom and I lost 4 LLN.com's because of this jerk. What a gimmick...sell domains, create an account for the buyer, place names into account, and then do not grant full access to account. Keep the money and keep the names. What a great way to run business!

Seriouisly, you have no idea of the gems of names I have passed up simply because they are at enom.

Wether it was a reseller does not matter to me. It was the lack of support.

If you buy a Ford from the local dealer but take it in for repairs and that same dealer does not honor the warranty, who are you going to call? Ford motor company. And if they do nothing there is a damn good chance you'll never buy a Ford again.

(I should have used Renault as an example instead of Ford. This actually happened with a Renault we bought eons ago. When we moved here to NC the local dealer would not honor the Warranty that came with the car saying we did not buy the car from them. Called Renault and they said there was nothing they could do as this was a private dealership.)

OK... then I assume you're also boycotting Godaddy and Moniker as well, since they have the same policy. What registrar do you use?

 

[Gerry]

OK... then I assume you're also boycotting Godaddy and Moniker as well, since they have the same policy. What registrar do you use?

Policy? Not sure what policy you are referring to.

I have had my issues with GoDaddy and TDnam.

These issues were made very public a few years ago when TDnam was selling supposedly expired domains that were not expired and were not even GoDaddy property. Numerous members on this and other forums were also affected.

After posting all the findings, the lies from different reps, and results of names sold and won which tallied up into the tens of thousands, GoDaddy/TDnam were scrambling to rectify the matter.

The VP of GoDaddy personally contacted me with emails and Phone calls.

In the off chance that I do buy and the domain is not transferred?
This has happened and I have contacted legal at GoDaddy, supplied all the documentation to support the claim, and the name was transferred.

Moniker?

Never had an issue with Moniker. Not sure I know of many CEO's in this business that I can personally talk to or contact.

euroDNS?
Same thing.
Pitiful customer service.

One of the biggest problems I see is none of these companies like seeing their name publicly trashed. Numerous times when contacting someone directly they say it is not their problem. Post the issue, the response given, other chime in with same problems and suddenly reps are contacting you.

When this thing happened with eNom is was not a member of any forums and other than constructing a simple site there was really no further sources to take this. At least, I did not know of any higher authority.

So no, the problem was with eNom. It was their name on the product. If you have an issue with a GD reseller, you have a support team to call, email, whatever. And they may take a while to get back to you but they will work with you.

To tell me all the others are the same is not true as I have not lost domains sitting in someone else's account with any of the other registrars.

Not sure why you are so protective of eNom and their reseller program.

Wrong is wrong.

What else do you want me to call it?

 

[bro]

One more week and no more sick tasting from enom anymore..

 

[JuniperPark]

One more week and no more sick tasting from enom anymore..

What happens in a week?

 

[bro]

This is from Dynadot..

Dynadot has just announced they are changing their grace deletion policies.

I received the following from them:

"Only generic TLDs are affected by this policy:

- COM, NET, ORG, INFO, and NAME will start enforcing ICANN's AGP Limits Policy on April 1.
- ASIA and MOBI have delayed their adoption of ICANN's AGP Limits Policy until May 1, 2009.
- BIZ will not be changing their current grace deletion policy since they have already implemented ICANN's AGP Limits Policy last year.
- TEL will be enforcing ICANN's AGP Limits Policy on March 24, 2009 (General Availability).

Each TLD affected by this policy will be restricted to the following:

- The deletion rate will be limited to 10% of all new domain registrations for that TLD. (The 10% limit applies to our whole system.) Therefore, we cannot always guarantee a grace deletion.

- The deletion fee will be increased from $0.20 to $1.00.

Please note that we may opt to increase the deletion fee further depending on demand. A list of the current deletion fees will be shown on our Grace Deletions page:

Grace Deletions


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Enom has been tasting on massive scale with catching thousands of domains everyday, so You can expect a stop on that from april 1st.

 

[Joel Smith]

This is from Dynadot..

Dynadot has just announced they are changing their grace deletion policies.

I received the following from them:

"Only generic TLDs are affected by this policy:

- COM, NET, ORG, INFO, and NAME will start enforcing ICANN's AGP Limits Policy on April 1.
- ASIA and MOBI have delayed their adoption of ICANN's AGP Limits Policy until May 1, 2009.
- BIZ will not be changing their current grace deletion policy since they have already implemented ICANN's AGP Limits Policy last year.
- TEL will be enforcing ICANN's AGP Limits Policy on March 24, 2009 (General Availability).

Each TLD affected by this policy will be restricted to the following:

- The deletion rate will be limited to 10% of all new domain registrations for that TLD. (The 10% limit applies to our whole system.) Therefore, we cannot always guarantee a grace deletion.

- The deletion fee will be increased from $0.20 to $1.00.

Please note that we may opt to increase the deletion fee further depending on demand. A list of the current deletion fees will be shown on our Grace Deletions page:


Grace Deletions


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Enom has been tasting on massive scale with catching thousands of domains everyday, so You can expect a stop on that from april 1st.

Yeah..quite a few registrars are implementing the new ICANN rule at their end..so basically you either have people raising their deletion fee or not process a refund at all..

I can see a a lot of miseries ending for a lot of people