Exaggeration -- don't believe everything you read

[GeorgeK]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...in22oct22,0,2962119.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

"Schwartz says he has sold only four domain names."

1) men.com
2) ecruise.com - http://www.multireg.com/article511.html
3) escore.com -- http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2000/09/25/story3.html?page=4

" He also sold escore.com to the Stanley Kaplan test preparation company for $100,000"

4) unknown computer name, before Sept 25, 2000 (date of article) same link as #3

"When it makes financial sense, though, the self-described "Domain King" will part with a name, such as one he sold to a major computer company for $150,000"

5) Fishingtackle.com -- http://www.whois.sc/fishingtackle.com

Looking at the WHOIS history (needs a silver membership):

http://www.whois.sc/whois-history/?domain=fishingtackle.com&vol=2&date=2001-05-29

"Administrative, Technical Contact:
Schwartz, R [email protected]
n/a
Box 4357
Boynton Beach, FL 33424
1-561-753-1014

Record last updated on 29-May-2001
Record expires on 25-May-2010
Record created on 25-May-1998"

This was AFTER the date of the article in #3 and #4

Also shown in Archive.org on the front page:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000619091415/http://www.erealestate.com/

6) DirtyJokes.com -- now owned by men.com LLC. Old WHOIS at:

http://www.whois.sc/whois-history/?domain=dirtyjokes.com&vol=2&date=2003-06-29

Schwartz, R (NIC-2210) [email protected]
New Century Investments Ltd
co Cozier and Associates Primrose Bldg Ramsbury Rd.
2nd Floor
Charlestown
Nevis, KN
33024
Phone: 5617531014 Fax:

Last I checked, 4 does not equal 6. Something doesn't "add up".

Although, those who remember the Press Release for "candy.com" expected to reach $50 million after the men.com sale, they are all too aware of the propensity of certain individuals to exaggerate. The market must have collapsed, if $3.5 million is suddenly acceptable. Is the domain bull market dead? If you believe the $3 million offer, perhaps some swampland in Florida might interest you too....

The height of irony is the juxtaposition of:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508104452/http://www.erealestate.com/

"We DO NOT sell domains. We are developers."

On the same page, though, there's a link "
For an updated list of current Domains........Click Here!", and of course it links to DomainSeller.com.

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508174610/www.domainseller.com/business.html

The opportunities for humour appear endless. For someone who also writes off his enemies as "cybersquatters" with hidden agendas, it's interesting to read the UDRP cases of racingform.com and adtsucks.com:

http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2001/d2001-1032.html
http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2001/d2001-0213.html

"Respondent’s ‘free speech’ claim is untenable. The evidence clearly displays a pattern of registering names which include famous marks plus the word ‘sucks’. There is just no evidence of demonstrable preparations for a business, or of any of the other matters which could assist a Respondent under the Policy. The Panel has no difficulty in finding bad faith registration and use. Respondent has shown a cynical pattern of dealing in domain names with apparent attempt to embarrass the owners of internationally known marks. The fact that Internet users are diverted to the Respondent’s sites is evidence of bad faith."

0wn3d! arty:

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

Is the missing name [freeup.com]?

Perhaps the discrepancies show some truth seeping out. In my opinion, perhaps the [men.com] and [dirtyjokes.com] "sales" were not really sales at all, but just ballyhoo.

Who knows?

For people living in glass houses, Schwartz and his cronies certainly seem to enjoy throwing stones.

 

[Fearless]

Did they have a workshop on smoke and mirrors at TRAFFIC?

 

[GeorgeK]

If I sponsor next year's event, I'd have the cooks prepare a special meal of crow for Rick, followed by a dessert of humble pie. To wash it all down, some sour grapes. ;-)

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

Good suggestions. I'd like to make one too.

Perhaps to gain admission, get attendees on their knees. After all, Kings are entitled to similar priviledge under droit de senior.

 

[deter]

If I sponsor next year's event, I'd have the cooks prepare a special meal of crow for Rick, followed by a dessert of humble pie. To wash it all down, some sour grapes. ;-)

That's why it was an invitation only party; the house of cards would come tumbling down.
To many people know far to much about Swartz for anything he hosts to be anything But invitation only

 

[Deleted member 4749]

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Schwartz, R seems to be a total joke. :clown:
He must be stopped untill he creates a crooked reputation for the industry.
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[Cash Is King]

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[GeorgeK]

What's a "cheap shot"?? Pointing out that:

6 !=4
$50 million != $3.5 million

are simply mathematical truths, as are the cold hard facts that the WIPO losses represent. If mathematical facts upset you, you should look inward. Others simply find them amusing. The best humour is based on the truth. arty:

 

[Cash Is King]

The timing of this thread stinks regardless and the phone still has not rang.

 

[GeorgeK]

The timing of the thread coincided exactly when the statements about "4" domains being sold were made.

Don't expect a call, unless you have a hot sister. arty: Given your domain list at www.classicdomains.com, why would someone call you about domain names??

 

[LogicalDomains]

So, changed whois data by necessity means a sale? Really? You never gave away a domain, George?

 

[GeorgeK]

That's called "reaching". There's nothing to suggest any names were given away.

 

[LogicalDomains]

No George. It's called "reasonable doubt".

 

[Cash Is King]

I love people that hide behind computers and cannot be men when confronted... Jealousy and weakness will do that to you :laugh:

 

[GeorgeK]

haha You're the one tossing mud, instead of disputing facts, ClassicNames. For that you expect a phone call? Do you disagree that 6 and 4 are not the same? Do you disagree that those WIPO losses aren't real? Do you disagree that $50 million and $3.5 million are not the same? What's your point?? Do you disagree the "not for sale" domains were all listed at "domainseller.com"?

 

[LogicalDomains]

George:

Still you persist with this? You presented evidence for four sales and two further domain transfers. You then drew no distinction between those two distinct categories and presented your findings in a style that linked the mathematical fact that 6<>4 to your seriously flawed logic. You have proven nothing, nor even provided any credible evidence.

 

[GT Web]

I think this thread should be closed now...

I dont know enough to comment correctly, so I am not going to take sides. However, I suggest all of you stop arguing over someone who is not on these forums to reply.

Go drink a beer (or two) and then come back on the forum and shake hands, we dont need this on DNF.

 

[GeorgeK]

For those who doubted the math, proof that dirtyjokes.com was "sold" is evident via the screenshot at:

http://www.loffs.com/images/dirtyjokes-men.gif

(since it links to an adult message board, I've not included the link, although from the screenshot you can see which board it is from).

The name was "included in the transaction". Thus:

1) The name was sold (making 5 >4 -- I leave it for someone else to find the fishingtackle.com owner).

2) The truth finally comes out, that $1.32 million was NOT for men.com --- it was for a portfolio of names, that included at least dirtyjokes.com too (that we know about). Given the Overture numbers for dirtyjokes.com versus men.com, I leave it to the reader to assess relative value.

All those skills from hunting down domain thieves are useful for other things, too.

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

GT Web wrote:

I dont know enough to comment correctly, so I am not going to take sides. However, I suggest all of you stop arguing over someone who is not on these forums to reply.

Go drink a beer (or two) and then come back on the forum and shake hands, we dont need this on DNF.
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Yea, maybe I could buy Rick Schwartz a beer at T.R.A.F.F.I.C.

Oops, wait a minute, that won't work -- I was banned from that event.