For Sale Exception to DNforum.com rule #4?

[Jernet]

I agree that it's not fair for members to submit domain names on their friends behalf, since this is an option only available to paid members...and rightly so. I am a little confused by the fact, since we are all domain name speculators, that we cannot get appraisals from other members for domain names that we are interested in buying. Especially expiring domains. With sites such as Pool and Namewinner, it would be great to know if the domain you think may be worth something, may actually be to others' also, before you drop good money for it.
I am not looking to open a can of worms here. I'm just wondering if anybody else shares my view, or if there is some adverse side effect that I'm just not seeing? :huh:

 

[GeorgeK]

One of the adverse side effects is that some of the other participants of this forum are bidding on the names themselves, and don't need the extra interest in those names until after the domain is acquired.

Also, not all of use are 'domain name speculators'.

 

[Jack Gordon]

I agree with GeorgeK... I don't think it is in your interest to publicize potentially valuable domains to this particular forum. Valuing acquisitions is a skill best developed in solitary, and confirmed in the appraisal/sales forums.

 

[actnow]

What about the members that act as a namebroker?

Steve with UrlCollections is a Internationally renowned namebroker. That is a part of their business. So, should they be restricted from only offering names CPI corporation actually owns.

Also, Beatz and 207 act as namebrokers.

I understand your point about members offering their friends' name. But, I think that happens so infrequently that it might not deserve a major policy change.

Plus, some members are benefitting from the availability of the domain.

 

[GeorgeK]

If I'm not mistaken, those brokering names will need to upgrade to Exclusive status at the end of the month?

 

[Honan]

Some of the members here ( including the mods of course )are absoultely fantastic in giving help to others

All you have to do is pick a member that you think has the necessary expertise and PM them , asking if they would have the time to give you an opinion.

This method has worked for me in the past and I am forever grateful to those people for helping me choose names.

I am reluctant to name the people who helped me, but they know who they are.

It would not be in your best interest to publicize in the forum, the names you are considering.

Wishing you Best of luck with your chasing

Originally posted by NetProwler
I agree that it's not fair for members to submit domain names on their friends behalf, since this is an option only available to paid members...and rightly so. I am a little confused by the fact, since we are all domain name speculators, that we cannot get appraisals from other members for domain names that we are interested in buying. Especially expiring domains. With sites such as Pool and Namewinner, it would be great to know if the domain you think may be worth something, may actually be to others' also, before you drop good money for it.
I am not looking to open a can of worms here. I'm just wondering if anybody else shares my view, or if there is some adverse side effect that I'm just not seeing? :huh:

 

[Bob]

There is a section in the Exclusive section for Brokering names.

Ad far as putting names up for appraisal that you do not own, the logic was that if anyboyd can put up a name for appraisal, then there are two adverse things:

1) Somebody else might contact the owner and buy it out from under you.

2) If anybody can post a requse for appraisal, then the appraisals section would become flooded with posts asking for the value of Sex.com, Money.com, Business.com, and so forth. Asking for appraisals on these kinds of names is setting up ourselves for failure. If comebody values Sex.com at $1,000,000 I can guarantee another member will start flaming that appraisal because it valued it too low. I, as a moderator, do not want to have to babysit these kinds of threads with unnecessary trash-talk.

Furthermore (this statement might ruffle some feathers), if you have to ask for an appraisal on a name before buying it, then you are obvioulsy not cognizant of domain name values. Should you really be in this business? If I think a name is good and I think I am getting a good price based upon experience, then I buy it. You should too. There is nothing wrong with seeking a second opinion to verify that you are on the right track. Pick a trusted friend or member who has integrity.

-Bob

 

[Jernet]

I definately see a lot of different views, which is great. I have also picked up some great tips. I guess there is a fine line to follow, and maybe the forum's rule makes more sense to me now.

BOB, you may have ruffled some feathers, but certainly not mine . I have been in this biz for over 4 years now and have hit some huge winners. I have also made some bad choices, but the few %10,000 profits most definately outweigh the %50 losses.

Not always is the forums a last resort, as even yesterday I sold a domain for 5 times what I paid for it outside the forums. It was a domain that I tried to sell for 2 weeks here for what I paid for it, and couldn't. I guess it will always be a guessing game!

Thanks for all who gave their input, and anybody else who adds.

 

[URLCollection]

Originally posted by actnow
What about the members that act as a namebroker?

Steve with UrlCollections is a Internationally renowned namebroker. That is a part of their business. So, should they be restricted from only offering names CPI corporation actually owns.

Also, Beatz and 207 act as namebrokers.

I understand your point about members offering their friends' name. But, I think that happens so infrequently that it might not deserve a major policy change.

Plus, some members are benefitting from the availability of the domain.

Thank you for words Act Now. We do a great deal of Domain Brokerage work and have for a number of years. We presently have thousands of brokered domains listed by our corporation and we act as the Exclusive Broker Agent for these. We have never posted for appraisal, sales or any reference to these domains on this forum or any other forum, following the rules that have been established, as we were not the owners of these domains, just the broker. Most of our marketing efforts for these brokered domains is end user direct, thus we feel we have not missed much by the lack of opportunity to post. We have 10-12 other domain collectors that we work with worldwide and we simply send them a list to shop on these brokered domains, from time to time. I fully understand the rules of not posting domains that you do not own and agree with this rule!! It keeps the threads clean and does not allow as much mis-representation as could be found if everyone was posting names that they did not control. Maybe the new Brokered Section will work out for some of these posts? Time will tell. Just our thoughts - Thanks Steve

 

[actnow]

I was commenting on names that are offered for sale. Not so much about appraising the names.

I have never requested an appraisal of a name on this forum. For a couple reasons.

One being that the appraisers/members may not have knowledge of that category of business that the name goes with. If you are not into horses; then you will not give horses???.com a very good value.

And, I would not expect someone like Steve to ask for a domain appraisal on DNF. It would be just the opposite. I would say that Steve knows the market value of a domain far better than me and many members on this forum.

 

[mole]

Originally posted by FrontRow
I don't think it is in your interest to publicize potentially valuable domains to this particular forum. Valuing acquisitions is a skill best developed in solitary, and confirmed in the appraisal/sales forums.

Absolutely.

 

[URLCollection]

Appraisals have always seemed to be a "tough call" on all domain forums. Good method for exposure on domains that you many have for sale, very un-reliable method to value a domain. Although our friends take the time to give their opinion on the values of a domain name, it is just "their thoughts at the time" and although many times, it appears they are right on the money, it can not be used as a "cemented value" of the domains. Many factors come in to play. There has been computer models designed to serve as "acurate appraisals" and many other methods, but the point is that the real value of a domain name resides in the end users opinion and profit and branding potential. Would you have payed $12K+ wholesale for liquidmedia.com? Would that have had an appraisal for that amount on any thread? Probaly not - but that is the sold price - thus the market value at this time for this great domain name - wholesale. Used just an example of a recent "large closed sale".

 

[mole]

Originally posted by URLCollection
but the point is that the real value of a domain name resides in the end users opinion and profit and branding potential.

I agree, after $500 (the basic threshold for even taking the bother to sell) except with domain resellers, the rest is very arbitrary... although most names today seem to be capping at the $15k mark.

 

[URLCollection]

Originally posted by DNMole


I agree, after $500 (the basic threshold for even taking the bother to sell) except with domain resellers, the rest is very arbitrary... although most names today seem to be capping at the $15k mark.

Yes Mole that seems to be a threshold of late - Gets to $15K and then it is just a very few deals that go on. Although we did a $50K deal last week - a $25K deal and a $18K deal, so it appears that it is on the way back up - Also read this thread at CircleID about a 4 domain deal at $1 Million plus a % or revenues. Have not seen that for a while.

 

[GeorgeK]

Steve: There are questions re: the Communicate.com sale. See the other threads on this board about it. Briefly, Manhattanassets.com has a WHOIS that is strikingly similar to that of Communicate.com....

 

[URLCollection]

Originally posted by GeorgeK
Steve: There are questions re: the Communicate.com sale. See the other threads on this board about it. Briefly, Manhattanassets.com has a WHOIS that is strikingly similar to that of Communicate.com....

Hello George - I will have to check that out - Just read the article quickly and was happy to see the numbers that high. I have never heard of either of these companies in the past - who knows? Thanks for the update I will check that out - Steve

 

[beatz]

Oh man i must have been sleeping for a while - how come i haven't heard of circleid.com before i just read it here ?!

Just went to their site - great resource it seems.

Thanks Steve for mentioning it.

 

[URLCollection]

Yes Beatz - Good information - Think they have been up for about 6 months or so - Signup for the newsletter and they will send you the lastest info. every week. Take care - Steve