For Sale Grrrr...

[cyphix]

NW & Buydomains keep taking my names I have snaps on :sad:

 

[actnow]

Doesn't "stolen" mean you owned it and it was taken from you?

"I feel your pain". But, it is everyday business in every industry.

You have to think in percentages.

Snaps success rate is between 10% and 25% for top names.
NW success rate is around 20%

And, then you have all of the other registrars, Enom, Pool, etc.

 

[hiOsilver]

Cyphix,

This is why you and I and everyone with similar experience should support WLS. I can understand Dotster, and Enom, and Dropwizard, etc opposing WLS. It will drastically cut their expiring domains income.

And, I also understand that BD & Ult will be the 1000 lb gorillas of expiring domains no matter what system is in place. Even so, I am tired of the same deal over and over again (losing to BD & Ult). The more players that come into the business, the less valuable NW & Snaps, etc will be to all of us. But BD & Ult will continue to have their dedicated registrars picking the cream off the top, while the rest of us are left with the scraps. The scraps will never warrant a WLS so do not be fooled into thinking that all names will have a WLS subscription.

 

[Kid Kool]

Originally posted by hiOsilver
Cyphix,

This is why you and I and everyone with similar experience should support WLS. I can understand Dotster, and Enom, and Dropwizard, etc opposing WLS. It will drastically cut their expiring domains income.

And, I also understand that BD & Ult will be the 1000 lb gorillas of expiring domains no matter what system is in place. Even so, I am tired of the same deal over and over again (losing to BD & Ult). The more players that come into the business, the less valuable NW & Snaps, etc will be to all of us. But BD & Ult will continue to have their dedicated registrars picking the cream off the top, while the rest of us are left with the scraps. The scraps will never warrant a WLS so do not be fooled into thinking that all names will have a WLS subscription.

So you'd like to impose WLS on all of us just so you can get the chance to register the poorest quality drops? That doesn't sound like a good business strategy. Just my opinion.

 

[Togoodhlth]

If wls happens and bd and ult et al get all the top wls subscriptions then we have 0 chance of snagging a great name where as now we at least have a small chance.
I mean with Ult brining in 6 figures per day there is no way to match their buying power.
On the flip side maybe it increases the value of the names we currently hold???

With all of the information I have read (TONS) about WLS I still have not seen a single thing that would make me root 100% for it. The biggest drawback is the company who is proposing it! I think this would raise a red flag with just about anyone in our business.

 

[mole]

Originally posted by Togoodhlth
If wls happens and bd and ult et al get all the top wls subscriptions then we have 0 chance of snagging a great name where as now we at least have a small chance.
I mean with Ult brining in 6 figures per day there is no way to match their buying power.
On the flip side maybe it increases the value of the names we currently hold???

With all of the information I have read (TONS) about WLS I still have not seen a single thing that would make me root 100% for it. The biggest drawback is the company who is proposing it! I think this would raise a red flag with just about anyone in our business.

WLS is not the solution, neither is grabbing dropped names via directed RRP access. The 100% solution is to contact the registrant of the name. Or the registrar if the owner has deceased.

Between the devil and the deep blue sea however, I vote for WLS since it encourages prospective buyers to approach the owner rather than the current sentiment of waiting for the possibility of a drop which can be wishful thinking and a bloody waste of time. This can only help the reseller market.

 

[Kid Kool]

Originally posted by mole


WLS is not the solution, neither is grabbing dropped names via directed RRP access. The 100% solution is to contact the registrant of the name. Or the registrar if the owner has deceased.

Between the devil and the deep blue sea however, I vote for WLS since it encourages prospective buyers to approach the owner rather than the current sentiment of waiting for the possibility of a drop which can be wishful thinking and a bloody waste of time. This can only help the reseller market.

I don't see how it helps the reseller market since the increase that will occur in contacting the registrant will come from either other resellers or monetizers who will be paying the lowest possible price. So basically you'll be getting more cheapskate offers if you get any additional queries at all. I don't see how anyone, but the clueless can support the power of government being harnessed to punish those who have spent years in time and effort to become successful in this business. WLS is designed to help those too late, too lazy, too incompetent and with too much sense of entitlement to compete and grab themselves a market share on their own.

 

[ShaunP]

WLS ... is the fools guide to domain glory. At least in todays market ... the small guy has a chance.

The WLS will not save those that have their heads in the sand; it just will give them a different excuse of why they failed ...

Shaun

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

I mean with Ult brining in 6 figures per day there is no way to match their buying power.
+++++++++++++++

What the heck...?

?

Where did this number come from?!

It sounds like an urban legend!

 

[garymayor]

Hey Everyone,
Stop panicking BD and ULT will not get all the names i reckon there the biggest oposition for WLS. Will they hell get all the names they might have massive buying power but they like the rest of us have to decide on what names are going to drop. We have the same chance as they have your just going to have to get there quicker than they will which a lot of us are going to be able to do.
And hey look at it this way if you get that name before anyone else your guaranteed to get it WOW isn't that more exciting than at the moment. Come on WLS is the only way to go.

 

[Steen]

as sson as i say an arguement about WLs i dindt read the rest of this thread. But PLEASE I am tired of these. It happens ALL the time, one says something about WLS and other disagrees and it goes on...

PLEASE STOP IT, its anoyying, just like the arguement about postin expiring names comes up every once and a while..

 

[mole]

Originally posted by devildude8989
PLEASE STOP IT, its anoyying, just like the arguement about postin expiring names comes up every once and a while..

I know what you mean, devil. WLS isn't something that people like to be reminded about.

 

[Steen]

Originally posted by mole


I know what you mean, devil. WLS isn't something that people like to be reminded about.

Thanks for the support.

WE always get this "WLS is evil and should never come" vs. "the drop game sucks as it is and BD/ULT own it, bring on WLS".

Personally, I wont say my commments on this one (for once) since I am so tired of it.:dead:

 

[888]

Originally posted by devildude8989
WE always get this "WLS is evil and should never come" vs. "the drop game sucks as it is and BD/ULT own it, bring on WLS".

Personally, I wont say my commments on this one (for once) since I am so tired of it.:dead:

Agreed, the WLS topic has merely become a DNF bucks generator, and I did get a few joining the fun . I feel that both sides have voiced their opinions many times already. And I have other better things to do than continuing this discussion here, so I shall stop.

 

[David G]

Originally posted by hiOsilver .....This is why you and I and everyone with similar experience should support WLS. I can understand Dotster, and Enom, and Dropwizard, etc opposing WLS. It will drastically cut their expiring domains income.....

I discovered a good name would almost assuredly drop approx' 2 mos ago. I won't go into details now but a lot of investigative work and time went into it.

It was far from obvious to being a good name with drop potential based on simply reading the name but it had lots of good type-in traffic (with good Suggestion Tool numbers using the ext - not too obvious it would but it did), and also was connected to two popular activities both in US and Europe, plus was an active well fairly known website too for a long time.

Since it was somewhat of an odd name it escaped everyones attention (except mine). I put the Snap on it 2 mos ago. Then when it hit Pending Delete status a week ago it quickly popped up on everyones radar screen and suddenly there was a $350 Namewinner bid on it. That person got the name as NW beat my Snap.

The reason I talk about this is that if WLS was here I seriouslly doubt the name would have a WLS on it, meaning I could have placed the WLS 2-mos ago and been 100% guaranteed of getting the name, and at a lot lower cost than trying to be the high bidder at NW.

This is a scenario very few of us here have thought about and a major reason you should also support WLS.

 

[actnow]

Real Names,

I agree with you that those type of situations will happen.

But, I think that will be the exception to the rule.

However, all the discussions we have on the forum will have almost zero affect on the final outcome.

The final decision will be done by Icann. And, they will only be influenced by the Commerce Dept which is influenced by Congress.

So, everything we say is just "pub talk".