closed Harry Potter domains.....

[Born Wild]

HarryPotter.com.cn
HarryPotter.jp

Both these domains are own by Paramount Pictures,
however... if Harry Potter wasn't a trade mark... what would these domains be worth?... this would help me a great deal on value of these Asian extentions!

Many thanks,
BW

 

[DrWho]

DNForum Acceptable Use Policy:

Do not ask for an appraisal on a domain name that you don't own. This is a waste of valuable talent.

 

[TurNIC.com]

And you missed a very important prefix: A very RARE.

Every harry potter domains should be posted for appraisal with that prefix. Didn't you see that in ebay auction !

 

[unclewilco]

sorry will post seperately...

thanks

 

[Born Wild]

Yes your right DrWho and my apologies to the board!... however i was using the above Domains as an example of a quality Domain to use with those extensions to give me some idea their worth?... a poor example might be something like... WeekendBreaks.com.cn

I've just reg'd...

Thunderbirds.com.cn & Thunderbirds.jp... there was no point asking for a valuation on these domains as the £50mil film Thunderbirds doesn't start production until March.
I have a feeling these films will be as big as Harry Potter series, with plenty of toys and merchandise.
Who knows?... this film could be a real flop?... but my gut feeling tells me it's going to be massive!!!!

Cheers,
BW

PS. As far as i'm aware there's no TM on Thunderbirds?... 50 DN Bucks to anyone who proves me wrong!
Please send me 20 DN Bucks if you reg... Thunderbirds.ws (available)

 

[rhopperger]

Sorry, it seems there are lots and plenty of trademarks for Thunderbird (which would be confusingly similar to Thunderbirds)
and at least one (I only checked 2 minutes) for Thunderbirds.

Registrant is:
ITC ENTERTAINMENT GROUP LIMITED
25 KNIGHTSBRIDGE
LONDON GB2 5WIX7RZ


Go to http://www.nameprotect.com/cgi-bin/FREESearch/search.cgi

Reinhard

 

[Born Wild]

thank for the reply Reinhard

I couldn't find the information you have given... could you please specify where abouts i should be looking.....

Fedaral Trade Marks
Domain Names
Canadian Trade Marks
European Trade Marks

Cheers,
BW

 

[rhopperger]

Go to nameprotect.com
click on the "Free Trademark search" button
click on the "Search" button
you end up at the URL I mentioned before.

Look for Federal Trademarks (the most commonly conflicting ones here in the US)

Type in "thunderbird" or "thunderbirds" and hit return.
It gives you a list of all TM's which is fairly accurate (once I had done a comprehensive search on one of them ($600) and the free search was fairly accurate. The comprehensive really was comprehensive (some 200 pages printed and bound).

So what happened to the idea of giving DNF bucks away?

 

[edisaacson]

That THUNDERBIRDS reg you saw is for a hockey team. As long as he uses his THUNDERBIRDS domains for uses other than the regs., he should be fine.

 

[Born Wild]

Excuse me for sounding DUMB... but how can more than one company own the rights... to Thunderbirds?? all i see is.... Registerd, Pending and Allowed... am i missing somthing here??????

Oh! and about the DN Bucks, maybe i should have put: to the first member to prove me wrong...

If you are correct Reinhard?.. by Friday the 50 DN Bucks are as good as yours.... PROMISE!

Cheers for your input!!
BW

 

[Edwin]

http://www.thunderbirdsonline.com/site/

According to the OFFICIAL site they have a TM on Thunderbirds. My guess is that your domains are worth between $0 and a large negative number (if they win a legal case against you)

The fact that you posted PUBLICLY that you know about the forthcoming Thunderbirds film and therefore regged the domain names only serves to undermine your case further...

From the official site's Disclaimer page:

Trade Marks
All trademarks displayed on this site are either owned or used under licence by Carlton International Media Limited and its affiliates. Without limitation, these include the name Thunderbirds and the Thunderbirds logo.

The unauthorised use of any trademark on this site is strictly prohibited.

 

[Born Wild]

How can this company have the TM for thunderbirds when the domain... Thunderbird.com is owned by a company that had nothing to do with the TV series???

 

[edisaacson]

Trademarks are broken down by the International Class System (1 - 45). It is possible for there to be a THUNDERBIRDS mark in each class owned by different owners. Unless a TM owner in 1 class can prove that there is a risk of confusion with the TM in another class, the Patent & Trademark Office will allow the marks to co-exist. Example: a THUNDERBIRDS motor oil would not be confused by the consumer to be from the same source as a THUNDERBIRDS lipstick. There are groups of mark which enjoy "famous" status (Coca-Cola, etc.) who would be able to claim confusion, but even Apple Computers has to exist with Apple marks in other classes.

 

[edisaacson]

Genki,

As long as he stays away from promoting anything related to the movie, he should not have an issue with them.

 

[Born Wild]

Cheers Guys for taking time out to reply... you've been most helpfull!

Thanks again
BW

 

[rhopperger]

Hey, Born Wild,
don't worry about the DNF bucks, I was just kidding. Wouldn't know what to do with them anyway (newbie still ).

Multiple trademarks are possible because you trademark not only a name but a name for a specific class of services or products.
(Sorry edisaacson, didn't see your post).

So Thunderbirds could be in class Electronics and another Thunderbirds-registration could be in class Paper-stuff. That's perfectly fine (as long as the trademark is not a famous one, because then the concept of dilution of a famous mark comes in).

The problem is, that a domain-name is unique and has no product/service class attached to it. So if the TM-owners are greedy they can say "Hey that's mine, even if the guy is selling shoe soles on the site!" and there's a chance he might even be right. If you do anything on the site that is even similar to the TM-class, then you are in deep s..t anyway

All stuff I had to learn lately as I am also wrestling with a big (did I say big?) domain that has TM-strings attached. (But I have no intentions on selling it but rather want to fulfill a life-dream of mine and doing some good with it). Tough uphill battles though

Hope this helped.
Reinhard

 

[Born Wild]

Ok how about 30 DN's for you rhopperger and 10 DN's for edisaacson and Genki... cuz you've all been so helpful!

Someone will have to tell me how to pass the over to you though???

Cheers,
BW

 

[edisaacson]

Reinhard,

No problem with posting same info., its good to know other are understanding how TM's work. I've been handling them for 6 years now and I still have plenty to learn.

 

[Born Wild]

as promissed.. 30dn$ to rhopperger, 10dn$ genki and edisaacson.

Thanks again Guys!!
BW