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How can New York City hot dog vendors afford a monthly rent of $53,558?

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And I thought monthly apartment rentals in NYC were expensive! -- the guy in the article is being broiled -- these vendors should be given a break these days --

http://www.slate.com/id/2224941/?GT1=38002

A hot dog vendor was kicked from the curb outside New York City's Metropolitan Museum of Art last week for failure to pay his monthly rent—of $53,558. Pasang Sherpa was under contract to pay the Parks Department $362,201 a year for a stand on the south side of the Met's entrance and $280,500 for another on the north side. That's a lot of hot dogs. With rent astronomically high, how much do New York City hot dog vendors actually make?

It's hard to say. Neither the Parks Department nor the Health Department (which oversees food sales outside parks) requires vendors to report income. They don't bother calculating expected sales, either—in part because rent is set at auction (with vendors battling it out) rather than by the city. What we do know is that even though Sherpa, a rookie, got in over his head, vendors have long been willing to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to push $2 dogs outside the Met. (The museum attracts 5 million visitors a year, and the hot dog stands are the only food outlets for blocks.) Last year's occupant paid $415,000 a year for the Met stands plus at least $25,000 for supplies and labor, and didn't go under—so we can assume he brought in significantly more than $440,000.

Vendors on city streets (as opposed to outside park areas) don't have to pay rent for specific spots; their only real estate expense is the cart permit the city requires them to buy. Theoretically, that'll put you back just $200 a year. But since the city caps the number of food vendor permits at 3,100, far below demand, there's an extensive black market. Some companies buy up the permits for dozens of carts and then lease them to individual vendors at highly inflated prices.

Most food vendors outside the parks system don't see in a year the kind of money that Sherpa agreed to pay every month. According to street vendor advocacy groups, average vendors make $14,000 to $16,000 a year after they've paid for their (likely illegal) permits and received a few tickets. Vendors rack up thousands of dollars in fines every year. They can be fined anywhere from $250 to $1,000 for being parked on the wrong street, being stationed too far from the curb, setting up illegal cart "extensions" that increase their shelf space, or any number of other violations.

Unlike the Parks Department, the city doesn't regulate where vendors can set up shop, as long as they're on streets where vending is allowed. The vendors largely police themselves. New salespeople who encroach on an established colleague's territory will often get a verbal warning within 15 minutes of showing up at a new site. If the new guy doesn't take off, anything can happen. The police may be called, the new vendor may be physically threatened, or he may just find his tires slashed.

Explainer thanks the Street Vendors Project and Zach Brooks of midtownlunch.com. Thanks also to reader Christina J. Powell for asking the question.

Meredith Simons is Double X intern.

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Cause these guys make like $1 million per year.......
 

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Tony, we're in the wrong business.
 

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"Would you like extra mustard on your hot dog dot com?" :D
 

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Tony, we're in the wrong business.

Theo....When I used on work on Madison and 60th.....there was a Greek vendor there on 62nd st(Tony....he is still there).....and his brother had a cart on 64th st.....these guys had lines halfway down the block on Madison Ave!! at lunch time.....

http://aguyinnewyork.com/archives/2005/11/tony_and_john_d.php

http://aguyinnewyork.com/archives/2006/01/john_and_tony_d.php

I got to be good friends with Tony.....they BUILT a RESORT HOTEL in Kefalonia, Greece from the profits of these 2 carts on Madison Ave........:)
 

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Location, location, location :D

Wow, that chicken pita looks good.
 

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Damn, Tony. That domain name was just recently up for renewal and appeared on the drop list...
 

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If you were salivating just form the pic.....can you imagine what you would be doing after tasting it???...:)

That was my pick up line with the ladies back in college. :D
 

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"Wrap your pita around my sausage" LOL
 

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Mine's the gyros pita please...

Seeing as you guys are in here, I spent 2 hours today making Greek Lamb Stew - my Mum's 74th birthday tomorrow and we've got family round; one of my favourites!
 

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Mine's the gyros pita please...
Seeing as you guys are in here, I spent 2 hours today making Greek Lamb Stew - my Mum's 74th birthday tomorrow and we've got family round; one of my favourites!

Happy Birthday to your mom.
It is good to see are making good dishes for her.
Say hi from all of our DNF folks.
 

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