HUGE scam against sedo, afternic, etc.. READ NOW

[iBizStart]

Not a scam.

I'm just playing with such suckers like AllForDomains.com and Sedo.com. WHY?

In my opinion appraisal service on domain names is a scam. Appraisers like AllForDomains.com, Sedo.com and Aftrenic.com are showing bogus figures and charge money for nothing. This is a big trap for all the domainers.

How can we stop them? There is only one way! When you order a service and then make charge back the company will have to pay the charge back fee. If they get too many charge backs they will have to close the business.

I've decided to stop teh domain appraisal scam this way.

It works very simple. Earlier I made several charge backs but it was not enough to stop them. Now I've contacted several domain sellers and asked them to order appraisals at Sedo.com and AllForDomains.com. Then I asked domain sellers to cancel these orders because it was a joke.

As a result AllForDomains.com and Sedo.com will lose big money on charge backs. My goal is to destroy AllForDomains and Sedo.

Thank you for helping me to crash these appraisers.

Now my traget is Afternic.com. I will ask people to order appraisals at Aftrenic.com and then I will tell them about my jokes.

Aftrenic.com (like AllForDomains.com) will have to stop their appraisal business due to high amount of charge backs and charge back fees.

Yahooo!! We'll destroy them!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: Bid on goldencrown.com


Nice scam. You almost seemed like a legitimate buyer. Thanks anyways and good luck ripping someone else off.

In a message dated 4/5/2005 3:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:

Do you sell a developed site or just domain name? If you don't have a site it's not a problem. I'm mostly interested in domain names without content.


Do you have an appraisal of your domain? I need an appraisal certificate before making an offer. Domain name is an investment for me. I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. So I need to know the current market value of your name. I guess your are also interested in getting this figure.

Please note that I don't trust free or cheap appraisals. So we cannot accept appraisal from each and every site.

Earlier I had a bad experience with Afternic.com. I also found the following information about them.
http://forum.icann.org/nsi2001/3AC75D7900000305.html

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum.
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/11076.htm
Juck check this posting.

After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

Looking forward to your reply.

----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Bid on goldencrown.com


I have previously tried selling my name but I am not getting the response I want. It is a very brandable casino domain name and so I guess the people that would be interested are the ones that are going to be building a casino site. Most "domainers" are looking for linkpop or traffic, not anything brandable. I have actually taken the name off sale because I did not get any offers and I am currently developing it into a casino review site. You are more then welcome to submit an offer but I do not have a price in mind that I am willing to accept right now.

I hope that helps
Thank You

P.S. Everything can stay confidential as you wish.

In a message dated 4/5/2005 5:59:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:

Hi,

I'm writing regarding your domain for sale I saw about two weeks ago. Unfortunately, I was busy and could not contact you at that time.

Is it still available for sale? Have you received any bids from other buyers?

Please email me your asking price.

If I can afford your domain I will contact you. Please keep my email address and our correspondence confidential.

I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to invest free money and make some income.

Kindest regards,

Trevor Berger

CEO

Chams Consulting

Cost Analysis & Revenue Assurance Software.

04/05/05.

Summary - He pretends he is interested in a domain name. Tells us to order an appraisal from companies like sedo and afternic. Then tells us to do a chargeback so those companies can lose money on chargeback fees

And for clarification I am [email protected] in the email, not the one running the scam

 

[PapaStiz]

I cannot beleive someone would actually send you something like that. That guy seems like a wack job. Makes you wonder how people like that have enough sense to get up and dress themselves in the morning without someone else help.

 

[Anthony Ng]

Since we do have members from both Sedo and Afternic, perhaps it's nice to hear from them as well.

Not a scam.

I'm just playing with such suckers like AllForDomains.com and Sedo.com. WHY?

In my opinion appraisal service on domain names is a scam. Appraisers like AllForDomains.com, Sedo.com and Aftrenic.com are showing bogus figures and charge money for nothing. This is a big trap for all the domainers.

How can we stop them? There is only one way! When you order a service and then make charge back the company will have to pay the charge back fee. If they get too many charge backs they will have to close the business.

I've decided to stop teh domain appraisal scam this way.

It works very simple. Earlier I made several charge backs but it was not enough to stop them. Now I've contacted several domain sellers and asked them to order appraisals at Sedo.com and AllForDomains.com. Then I asked domain sellers to cancel these orders because it was a joke.

As a result AllForDomains.com and Sedo.com will lose big money on charge backs. My goal is to destroy AllForDomains and Sedo.

Thank you for helping me to crash these appraisers.

Now my traget is Afternic.com. I will ask people to order appraisals at Aftrenic.com and then I will tell them about my jokes.

Aftrenic.com (like AllForDomains.com) will have to stop their appraisal business due to high amount of charge backs and charge back fees.

Yahooo!! We'll destroy them!!!

 

[Domagon]

Problem with such a scheme is numbers ...

Sedo presumably does hundreds, if not more, credit card transactions per day - so for such chargeback scheme to have much effect, they'd have to do several chargebacks everyday for like a month - at which point, Sedo might be required to pay a higher percentage than now.

To totally shut down Sedo's processing - that would likely take dozens of chargebacks per day! Not impossible to coordinate such an action, but unrealistic it would actually work.

An easier way to hurt a merchant is to submit lots of bogus transactions - regardless of whether they're accepted/rejected, most merchants are charged a transaction fee of several cents, or possibly even a tad more, for each one ... but here again, numbers are on Sedo's side ... to have any real effect on Sedo, they would likely have to submit several thousand bogus transactions every day for an extended period of time, such as a month or more.

In a nutshell, while it's not impossible, it's highly unlikely Sedo will be hurt by any such actions.

Ron