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kokopelli

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I have a website I acquired some months ago that starts with "ebay", with an added generic term: e.g. ebayxxxxxxx.xxx. It is basic an affiliate website for eBay ebooks, dropshipping and others. The usual disclaimers about not being an eBay site, etc. are in place.

I have just now received the following email from them:
We are writing concerning your registration and use of the domain name ebayxxxxxxx.xxx, which contains the famous eBay trademark.

As you undoubtedly know, eBay is the leading provider of online person-to-person trading services and related goods and services. eBay adopted the name and trademark eBay in September 1995 and, since that time, eBay has actively used the eBay name and trademark in connection with its online trading and related services, including maintaining the web site www.eBay.com. The coined term eBay is one of the most famous trademarks on the Internet. eBay owns exclusive trademark rights to the eBay name in the United States and internationally, including related common law rights. Accordingly, eBay enjoys broad trademark rights in its name.

eBay has made a substantial investment in developing and providing its services. As a result of eBay’s pioneering efforts and devoting substantial effort and resources to providing only high quality services, the eBay name and trademarks are widely known among the consuming public worldwide, and the name and trademarks embody substantial and valuable goodwill.

Accordingly, we were concerned when we learned of your registration and use of ebayxxxxxxx.xxx. As we hope you can appreciate, protection of its trademarks is very important to eBay. Your registration and use of ebayxxxxxxx.xxx violates the Lanham Act (15 U.S.C. 1051 et seq.) because it infringes and dilutes the famous eBay trademark.

Infringement occurs when a third party’s use of a company’s trademark (or a confusingly similar variation thereof) is likely to confuse consumers as to the affiliation, sponsorship or endorsement of the third party’s services. Trademark dilution occurs when a third party’s use of a variation of a company’s trademark is likely to lessen the distinctiveness of the company’s famous trademark.

We have filed several successful federal court actions in the United States against companies and individuals employing the famous eBay trademark in their domain names, as well as more than six proceedings before the United Nation's World Intellectual Property Organization's arbitration panel. eBay has prevailed in each case and the domain names at issue were all ordered to be transferred to eBay.

In addition to the above, the United States Patent and Trademark Office ("USPTO") has recently denied registration of the mark "ebaysecurities" by a third party. Like your domain name, "ebaysecurities" incorporated the entire eBay trademark, adding only a generic term to eBay's famous mark. The USPTO recognized that eBay is a famous trademark and therefore denied registration of ebaysecurities. eBay is concerned that your unauthorized use of the eBay name may cause confusion as to whether you or your company’s activities are authorized, endorsed or sponsored by eBay when, in fact, they are not.

We understand that you may have registered ebayxxxxxxx.xxx without full knowledge of the law in this area. However, eBay is concerned about your use of the eBay trademark in your domain name. As you may know, the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act (http://www.patents.com/acpa.htm) provides for serious penalties (up to $100,000 per domain name) against persons who, without authorization, use, sell, or offer for sale a domain name that infringes another’s trademark.

While eBay respects your right of expression and your desire to conduct business on the Internet, eBay must enforce its own rights in order to protect its valuable and famous trademark. For these reasons, and to avoid consumer confusion, eBay must insist that you immediately stop using ebayxxxxxxx.xxx and disable any site available at that address. You should not sell, offer to sell, or transfer the domain name to a third party and should let the domain registration expire.

Please confirm in writing that you will agree to resolve this matter as requested. If we do not receive confirmation from you that you will comply with our request, we will have no choice but to pursue all available remedies against you.

Sincerely,

XXXXX
eBay Legal Department

This website isn't really important to me as it hasn't made much to date. But in principle, what do you think? Are they correct and, if not, is it worth it to fight?

Personally, I'm not so sure about their contentions and legal position, as it is a generic term and there are published books with the same title. And what about free speech or the guy with ebay sucks . com?
 
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I would take it down and let it expire I think, the site sounds like it may profit from ebay trademark, although as you mention there might be a grey area, but since it does not make much as you mentioned I would write it off instead of possibly getting into battle.
 

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Yes, let it go. Ebay is not worth fighting with IMO. I believe they are notorious for going after sites/domains containing "ebay". They'd prolly win
 

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But in principle, what do you think? Are they correct and, if not, is it worth it to fight?

Personally, I'm not so sure about their contentions and legal position, as it is a generic term and there are published books with the same title. And what about free speech or the guy with ebay sucks . com?

I can choose to fight it or not if I've got the time money and effort.

Yes, they're correct re: their IP rights. It's worth the fight to them since they
do have time and money, and they have to protect their trademark rights.

Given your stated intent, you'd be hardpressed to be able to legitimately use
that site for your purposes. Disclaimers aren't 100% guarantees of immunity,
especially when a famous trademark is involved.

If you're an affiliate of ebay, read their terms.
 

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I wouldnt do a damn thing. An email should be followed by a certified letter. Untill you get that, I personally wouldnt hand it over.
 

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I wouldnt do a damn thing. An email should be followed by a certified letter. Untill you get that, I personally wouldnt hand it over.

This is one of the reasons domainers do get a bad rep.....

BTW- A C+D may cone in any fashion and form. It DOES NOT have to be a certified letter. This is an attempt by a company to amicably resolve an issue which they believe they are protecting thier marks.
 

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"As a result of eBay's pioneering efforts and devoting substantial effort and resources to providing only high quality services"

That's VERY debatable :D

Unfortunately, their trademark rights aren't. Just comply with their requests, there's no point fighting a loosing battle.

- Rob
 

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Thanks for everyone's comments/advice.

I'm still not sure that they have a good legal leg to stand on, but don't have time for a prolonged fight right now.

So, I was thinking of taking the site down, but transparently redirecting visitors via htaccess to another of my sites (general dropshipping) - anyone foresee a problem with that? It would be a shame just to close the site and let the traffic go to waste ...
 
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Thanks for everyone's comments/advice.

I'm still not sure that they have a good legal leg to stand on, but don't have time for a prolonged fight right now.

So, I was thinking of taking the site down, but transparently redirecting visitors via htaccess to another of my sites (general dropshipping) - anyone foresee a problem with that? It would be a shame just to close the site and let the traffic go to waste ...

Why on earth would you choose to use the trademark of one of the most powerful internet-saavy companies out there, and then say they may not have "a good legal leg to stand on?" Congress passed the Lanham Act to prohibit exactly what you are doing. They are protecting their trademarked rights. How would they not have a legal leg to stand on?

"EbaySucks.com" is a site probably created as a platform for the owner to use his first ammendment rights to give his opinion about Ebay. Your drop-shipping site (as you mentioned in the last post) was obviously started to exploit the Ebay name, and it has nothing to do with free speech. This is why a site like EbaySucks.com can exist, while your site was sent a C&D. I think Ebay is being generous because many companies would be more than happy to send you a C&D, ask for all profits, damages and legal fees.
 

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I agree. The project was doomed before it even began
 

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Think yourself lucky this is not Dell!
 

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yes, you are indeed a very wretched and miserable failure as a web-developer [add parody here]. how dare you.
 

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I can not believe someone DARED to register a domain containing letters E, B, A and Y !
 
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I can not believe someone DARED to register a domain containing letters E, B, A and Y !
I believe this sarcasm was pointed towards my comments. I don't really care that the person "dared" to register the name. I just think it is stupid that the person is contemplating fighting the C&D he received from the company whose trademark he was clearly using in his own domain name, especially when he commented that he didn't know whether Ebay "had a leg to stand on."
 

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I can not believe someone DARED to register a domain containing letters E, B, A and Y !

I can't believe someone dared to post in legals who obviously have no clue...:uhoh:

I'm still not sure that they have a good legal leg to stand on, but don't have time for a prolonged fight right now.

What?!?!?!? Ok???..... to put this bluntly, you are wrong.
 

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I can't believe someone dared to post in legals who obviously have no clue...

You think ? LOL
 
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