Jewelry.eu goes to rich Americans IREIT with bogus TM

[sasquatch]

A. http://www.whois.eu/whois/GetDomainStatus.htm

B. Type-in Jewelry.eu

C. Very top application, which claims Registered National Trademark in Netherlands, is from "First Internet Technology Ltd" apparently "based" in London, UK. However, e-mail contact listed with this application has someone at "FirstInternetTech.com as a contact"

D. FirstInternetTech.com whois shows nameservers pointed at "NS1.IREITHOST.COM"

E. IreitHost.com whois shows Administrative contact of Bob Martin of "Internet Ireit" in Houston, Texas.

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The point of the story is not that these guys can't even cover their tracks so that even the third rate detective work is easily able to point at them, nor that they might very well have bullshit, but legit european trademark and address (which will make everything they do kosher).

The point is that this is just another example that the whole process is a farce and that the most valuable .EU domains will still end up in the hands of ruthless American speculators with deep pockets and few bogus trademarks. While most naive domainers are busy selling their useless shit names for a few bucks apiece, the "big fish" are busy readying themselves to grab a million euro domains for regfee.

 

[stuff]

this really sucks, there are already many approaved, game.eu, games.eu and so on...
I really doN`t see any point in this sunrise periods - in my opinion the most idiotic thing that I have ever seen.
Why did they not open the registration for everyone so all could have a change.

 

[sasquatch]

Furthermore this is the list of domains that Bob Martin, Stuart Rabin, Marc Ostrofsky and the rest of the IREIT greedy gang wants to steal from Europeans. Needless to say they claim to have EU trademarks for all of these:

ads.eu
adsl.eu
art.eu
ask.eu
betting.eu
blackjack.eu
books.eu
broadband.eu
business.eu
camps.eu
cellphone.eu
chocolate.eu
chocolates.eu
computer.eu
computergames.eu
creditcards.eu
dating.eu
debt.eu
diet.eu
diets.eu
domains.eu
email.eu
euro.eu
euros.eu
fashion.eu
finance.eu
free.eu
freegames.eu
furniture.eu
game.eu
games.eu
hotel.eu
hotels.eu
jewelry.eu
love.eu
map.eu
maps.eu
mobi.eu
mortgage.eu
movies.eu
news.eu
poker.eu
rent.eu
roulette.eu
search.eu
seo.eu
software.eu
sports.eu
summercamps.eu
tickets.eu
travel.eu
vacation.eu
watches.eu
weather.eu
weightloss.eu
autoinsurance.eu
autotrader.eu
betonline.eu
car.eu
carhire.eu
carinsurance.eu
carloan.eu
carrental.eu
cars.eu
casino.eu
casinos.eu
cellular.eu
cellularphone.eu
cruise.eu
cruises.eu
diamond.eu
diamonds.eu
dietpill.eu
digitalcamera.eu
domainnames.eu
freeporn.eu
gay.eu
gays.eu
gold.eu
golf.eu
golfclub.eu
golfcourse.eu
golfequipment.eu
golfholiday.eu
holiday.eu
holidayinsurance.eu
homeinsurance.eu
homeloan.eu
job.eu
jobs.eu
laptop.eu
mobilephone.eu
mobilephones.eu
money.eu
mortgageloan.eu
motorinsurance.eu
music.eu
mutualfunds.eu
onlinebank.eu
onlinecasino.eu
onlinedating.eu
onlinedegree.eu
onlinepoker.eu
phonecards.eu
photo.eu
photographer.eu
photography.eu
porn.eu
porno.eu
printers.eu
ringtone.eu
ringtones.eu
securedloan.eu
travelinsurance.eu

 

[NameYourself]

I met someone who was specializing in this back at Domain Roundtable. Apparantly it is very easy to setup a European based company for about $1,000. Those who jumped on it will be rewarded heavily.

Also, what is the problem if people from the US want to register .eu names in the first place? What's wrong with people from Europe registering some .us domains. I'm sure it happens often because that's the way economies work. Speaking objectively, this is a global economy, and no one from any part of the world should be excluded.

 

[paulc]

how can they have eu trademarks on all of these?

 

[NameYourself]

Furthermore this is the list of domains that Bob Martin, Stuart Rabin, Ostrofsky and the rest of the IREIT greedy gang wants to steal from Europeans. Needless to say they claim to have EU trademarks for all of these:

ads.eu
adsl.eu
art.eu
ask.eu
betting.eu
blackjack.eu
books.eu
broadband.eu
business.eu
camps.eu
cellphone.eu
chocolate.eu
chocolates.eu
computer.eu
computergames.eu
creditcards.eu
dating.eu
debt.eu
diet.eu
diets.eu
domains.eu
email.eu
euro.eu
euros.eu
fashion.eu
finance.eu
free.eu
freegames.eu
furniture.eu
game.eu
games.eu
hotel.eu
hotels.eu
jewelry.eu
love.eu
map.eu
maps.eu
mobi.eu
mortgage.eu
movies.eu
news.eu
poker.eu
rent.eu
roulette.eu
search.eu
seo.eu
software.eu
sports.eu
summercamps.eu
tickets.eu
travel.eu
vacation.eu
watches.eu
weather.eu
weightloss.eu
autoinsurance.eu
autotrader.eu
betonline.eu
car.eu
carhire.eu
carinsurance.eu
carloan.eu
carrental.eu
cars.eu
casino.eu
casinos.eu
cellular.eu
cellularphone.eu
cruise.eu
cruises.eu
diamond.eu
diamonds.eu
dietpill.eu
digitalcamera.eu
domainnames.eu
freeporn.eu
gay.eu
gays.eu
gold.eu
golf.eu
golfclub.eu
golfcourse.eu
golfequipment.eu
golfholiday.eu
holiday.eu
holidayinsurance.eu
homeinsurance.eu
homeloan.eu
job.eu
jobs.eu
laptop.eu
mobilephone.eu
mobilephones.eu
money.eu
mortgageloan.eu
motorinsurance.eu
music.eu
mutualfunds.eu
onlinebank.eu
onlinecasino.eu
onlinedating.eu
onlinedegree.eu
onlinepoker.eu
phonecards.eu
photo.eu
photographer.eu
photography.eu
porn.eu
porno.eu
printers.eu
ringtone.eu
ringtones.eu
securedloan.eu
travelinsurance.eu

I'm sure someone will complain and they will have to defend their registrations. It's a gamble for them, but it could pay off heavily if the E.U. decides that it is allowable. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

 

[sasquatch]

Speaking objectively, this is a global economy, and no one from any part of the world should be excluded.

How does "global economy" have anything to do with this??

we all know to whom .EU is open legally, and what "sunrise" is. European people with real trademarks and business interest should be able to get these names, and not some ruthless collecting yahoos from Houston and Manhattan.

 

[StockDoctor]

The registry doesn't care anyway. They set this up so their registrars could make the big fees in round 1. Then if rejected, the registrars get to take more fees again for the same names in round 2. Repeat again for round 3 open registration. It will be interesting to see which scam group ends up with them. What a joke.

 

[labrocca]

How disgusting. I Hope all their names are rejected.

 

[sasquatch]

How disgusting. I Hope all their names are rejected.

Too late for that.

Among others, their applications for Ask.eu, Cellphone.eu, Chocolate.eu, Game.eu and Games.eu all have been accepted (of the very few I checked) (and "Accepted" means "The Application has been validated and the right on the name has been proven. The domain name is now in the 40 day waiting period, after which it will be activated.)

Out of six applicants for Cellphone.eu they were the only one (all six applications were theirs) which is not too surprising since nobody in Europe uses the term cellphone or cellphones. But what's funny is that half of those applications for cellphone came from "First European Technology Ltd" (which claimed TM in Belgium) which is different than the above mentioned "First Internet Technology Ltd." (which claimed TM in Netherlands)

And this one was signed by Marc Ostrofsky [email protected]

So they are using at the very least two (probably several others) shell companies as a strategy called "If one fails perhaps the other will be luckier".

 

[Leading Names]

At least the top names are somewhat distributed and haven't all gone to one entity. Which is a good thing, as it will drive up acquisition costs for the ones they did manage to get.

Name | First in line TM holder
ads.eu - No, NL Hosting Internet BV
adsl.eu - No, Yellow Register On Line AB
art.eu – No, AllPosters.com GmbH
ask.eu – Yes
betting.eu - No, Drake Ventures Limited
blackjack.eu - No, Drake Ventures Limited
books.eu – No, Drake Ventures Limited
broadband.eu - No, Yellow Register On Line AB
business.eu – No, Internetportal und Marketing GmbH
camps.eu – Yes
cellphone.eu – Yes
chocolate.eu – Yes
chocolates.eu – Yes
computer.eu – No, Dom.info e.K.
computergames.eu - Yes
creditcards.eu – No, Yellow Register On Line AB
dating.eu – No, P.J.H. van Lier
debt.eu – Yes
diet.eu – No, Dom.info e.K.
diets.eu – Yes
domains.eu No, lute-Thiemann Informationstechnologie GmbH&Co.KG
email.eu – No, Multam B.V.
euro.eu – RESERVED
euros.eu – Yes
fashion.eu - No, Van der Velden Beheer BV
finance.eu - No, Drake Ventures Limited
free.eu – No, Internetportal und Marketing GmbH
freegames.eu – Yes
furniture.eu – Yes
game.eu – Yes
games.eu - No, vupp.com Werbegesellschaft m.b.H
hotel.eu – No, Internetportal und Marketing GmbH
hotels.eu – No, Dieterle Konzepte GmbH Co KG
jewelry.eu – Yes
love.eu – No, Internetportal und Marketing GmbH
map.eu – Yes
maps.eu – No, Drake Ventures Limited
mobi.eu – Yes
mortgage.eu - Drake Ventures Limited
movies.eu – No, Multam BV
news.eu – No, Multam BV
poker.eu – No, Yellow Register On Line AB
rent.eu – No, Dating.nl. B.V.
roulette.eu – No, Yellow Register On Line AB
search.eu – No, Yellow Register On Line AB
seo.eu – RESERVED
software.eu – No, vupp.com Werbegesellschaft m.b.H
sports.eu – No, Dom.info e.K.
summercamps.eu – Yes
tickets.eu – No, Roos IT
travel.eu – No, Yellow Register On Line AB
vacation.eu – No, www-services
watches.eu – No, --
weather.eu – No, Internetportal und Marketing GmbH
weightloss.eu – Yes
autoinsurance.eu – No, Drake Ventures Limited
autotrader.eu – No, First European Technology LTD
betonline.eu – No, First European Technology LTD
car.eu – No, Internetportal und Marketing GmbH

If anyone else want's do do the rest of the list - feel free

- Rob

 

[mike031]

good for them

 

[MrDude]

Scum

 

[EM @MAJ.com]

Scum

They have millions of budget to get those names.

Nothing left for smallbiz domain investors

 

[mole]

cellphone.eu? er,, its mobile phone in Europe doh

 

[WhoDatDog]

It is very dishonest what they have done....but what are you going to do? Doesn't The King have his Attorney send out threatening Trademark Infringement letters all of the time (Bogus Trademarks).

When it is the Wild West you gotta stick up for yourself by building your own domain name dynasty so that one day you can be like those who have the key names. Big Money allows you to do many unethical things....and get away with it.

I am not sure how I would play the game if I played it like them (with other people's money)....I guess each person has to make decisions along the way, and if enough money is on the line then most people will be tempted to operate in a Fraudulent way like this.

I make no predictions as to what I would do if I had millions of dollars of other people's money like the iReit guys....I hope I wouldn't sell out my integrity like this. I have clean hands so far.....and money too.

Like I said in another post...at least they got some good names...because iReit.com sucks

 

[NameYourself]

at least they got some good names...because iReit.com sucks

Agree on their choice of name although it does make sense to those familiar with the realty market...

iREIT = Internet "Real Estate Investment Trust"

 

[Ed30]

Where is your evidence that the trademark is bogus?

 

[WhoDatDog]

Yeah, I know what iReit stands for, but my guess is that if you told 10 strangers the name that less than 3 would be able to type it correctly when they got home.....I'm just being critical....there is enough opportunity out there for every single person on this board to be a part of something that will be looked back on with amazement.....the power to control these words in the most powerful economy on earth is mind-boggling.

I guarantee that in 24 months people will be kicking themselves for not buying some of the names on this board right now....for a song.

 

[mole]

Life's little ironies...

“Some people buy land, hold it and flip it hoping to make a profit. A name that has the potential to grab mindshare, like ‘MutualFunds.com’ is worth much more than a generic name like ‘www.photographer.eu.’” Ostrofsky says. This will be one of the focuses of his talk at the Domain Roundtable.

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2006/2/emw339754.htm