Scam alert - Avoid moner2r

[nimonogi]

I have been scammed by the member moner2r.
The Paypal payment that I received has been reversed;
however, I have already pushed the name to moner2r.

 

[Samuel]

Paypal is always a No, No.

Hope it wasn't a big amount.

 

[nimonogi]

Not too big but the thing is that i have a website without its domain because of this. http://www.dnforum.com/thread178548.html
Also, took more than 12hrs to PayPal to find out that this payment was unauthorized, and I've pushed the domain 4 hrs after payment was made because I had to backup the website first.

 

[whitebark]

You are the second person at least. This person this PM'ed me about one of my websites but something didn't seem right. I warned at least two others and it turns out I was unfortunately correct.

Hopefully for every one's sake there is an explanation for this beyond just another scam artist rearing their ugly head this week.

 

[nimonogi]

Why dnforum let those scammers just messing around? Especially if a complain is fillet from more that 1 people. This guy is trying to sell a domain now http://www.dnforum.com/thread178697.html
I believe DNF must start protect their members and PayPal the sellers!

 

[Theo]

It should have been a hint:

1. Recent member, September 2006
2. Accepts only Western Union or eGold

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[whitebark]

moner2r - you are reading this thread - explain yourself!

 

[Duckinla]

Everyone should realize by now to empty your paypal account before pushing a domain name. Particulalry if you are dealing with a newer member without history and rep here. At least that way you may have some recourse with your bank if Paypal does a chargeback.

 

[ColdGin]

I don´t know what´s happening here lately...a high percentage of threads are scam related...

 

[Ian]

As I see it in the future new people without itrader ratings will find it hard to sell or buy anything on this forum!!! What happened to the business ethical and professional behaviour preached by domainers on this forum!

 

[nimonogi]

I'm wondering why DNF don't do something... or at least ban those members insteed of changing their account names.

 

[nimonogi]

As I see it in the future new people without itrader ratings will find it hard to sell or buy anything on this forum!!! What happened to the business ethical and professional behaviour preached by domainers on this forum!

That's for sure... I've trusted 2 times newbies and i've been screwed both!

 

[Andrew Shaw]

If you flag the thread, it will send a notification to the mods so they will see whats happend. Otherwise, there is a good chance none of them will see this thread. I've already flagged it. Goodluck with this. Contact Paypal by phone and speak with people untill you get it reversed. If one person says no, you ask to speak with their mananger.

 

[nimonogi]

Thanks Ashaw, I've contacted the mods from the first moment.

 

[Tia Wood]

Same thing happened to me. Paypal reversed my charge of $25 for this sales thread:

http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?p=945868

However, the temporary hold by Paypal has been removed and now credited to my account. I will wait a few days to see what happens to it.

 

[Majnoon]

wish u all luck in getting your money back. next time be very careful.

 

[ClickEarn]

For future sales wait until the payment has been made. Then
create a basic "PayPal Acceptance Form" and send it to the
person who sends the funds

On the form incluse the date, domain, Amount, and the paypal ID
number and a statement saying that thie person is authorized to
use the account for this transaction as well as some general contract
type information. Have them sign it and fax it back this way you
have a SIGNATURE for the payment

This will greatly help should the person attempt to charge back the payment

 

[syed]

For future sales wait until the payment has been made. Then
create a basic "PayPal Acceptance Form" and send it to the
person who sends the funds

On the form incluse the date, domain, Amount, and the paypal ID
number and a statement saying that thie person is authorized to
use the account for this transaction as well as some general contract
type information. Have them sign it and fax it back this way you
have a SIGNATURE for the payment

This will greatly help should the person attempt to charge back the payment

Very good advice there.
Besides, try not to use Paypal for large amounts. Escrow services provided by Moniker.com and Escrow.com is really the best way to go.

 

[nimonogi]

For future sales wait until the payment has been made. Then
create a basic "PayPal Acceptance Form" and send it to the
person who sends the funds

On the form incluse the date, domain, Amount, and the paypal ID
number and a statement saying that thie person is authorized to
use the account for this transaction as well as some general contract
type information. Have them sign it and fax it back this way you
have a SIGNATURE for the payment

This will greatly help should the person attempt to charge back the payment

If the form is signed by the scammer, i don't believe that this would help much.
The only good thing in this case is that you (maybe) get the phone of this person.

 

[Domagon]

All this talk of forms, signatures, etc are of little to no value when dealing with PayPal for intangible goods, such as domain names.

PayPal similar to checks, ACHs (e-checks), credit cards, etc is REVOCABLE ...

If it's something expensive / important, require a non-revocable payment method, such as bank wire (often confused with ACH, which is revocable), western union / moneygram, cash, or escrow.

On a related topic, the suggestions of emptying a PayPal account, withdrawing right away, etc are poor advice - occasionally tactics like that work, but more likely PayPal will draw the funds from an attached credit card, checking account, etc ... and if that fails, they will potentially sell the debt to bill collectors, file a lawsuit, etc - why deal with all those hassles when there's a better way ... requiring NON-recovable payment to begin with.

With all that said, one should know who they are dealing with, especially if the amounts involved are anything more than trivial... and again, require a non-revocable payment method / escrow.

Ron