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18 Iraqi children killed by car bomb
The victims, all boys, were on soccer field in Ramadi


I don't care who you are, what you believe, what group you represent.

To say that you do such horrific acts in the name of a religion or any god is eternal damnation.

Innocent children.

This is beyond a criminal act.

This is beyond humanity.

This is beyond forgiving.

My God, my Bible, my teaching say to forgive and forget. Not this act. This is unforgivable. This is unforgetable.

No God would forgive such cowardness to slaughter children.
 

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I totally agree, these groups are amongst the most disgusting types of people you can imagine. They want a free Iraq and believe killing their own is the right way to go, they should so how democratic and sensible they can be.
 

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18 Iraqi children killed by car bomb
The victims, all boys, were on soccer field in Ramadi

I don't care who you are, what you believe, what group you represent.

To say that you do such horrific acts in the name of a religion or any god is eternal damnation.

Innocent children.

This is beyond a criminal act.

This is beyond humanity.

This is beyond forgiving.

My God, my Bible, my teaching say to forgive and forget. Not this act. This is unforgivable. This is unforgetable.

No God would forgive such cowardness to slaughter children.

just when you think this world can't get more evil......:?:
it breaks my heart to think of what suffering they went through, let alone the injured children now.
what are their parents going through?
omg this world stinks :sigh2:
 

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18 Iraqi children killed by car bomb
The victims, all boys, were on soccer field in Ramadi


I don't care who you are, what you believe, what group you represent.

To say that you do such horrific acts in the name of a religion or any god is eternal damnation.

Innocent children.

This is beyond a criminal act.

This is beyond humanity.

This is beyond forgiving.

My God, my Bible, my teaching say to forgive and forget. Not this act. This is unforgivable. This is unforgetable.

No God would forgive such cowardness to slaughter children.


I totally agree.

Thoroughly shocking and disgusting. And to think, there will be people celebrating it as a victory, while families are grieving.

And I'm sorry to say, that Iraq cannot be changed - it doesn't matter when we (US, UK, other allies) pull out, next year, '09, '10, whenever, this war is going to be lost. The only option left is to leave a heavy presence there to guard the oil, which after all, is the reason we went in - or, to make a deal with the insurgants to buy it from them.

Last weeks news: Britain pulling 1600 troops out of Iraq (because it's going sooo well)
This weeks news: Britain sending 1400 extra troops to Afghanistan
 

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kids hands getting chopped off....and surviving it with no med care...in africa...i saw the documentary on it.....probably 10

rebel fighters etc etc.....its happening in iraq too..but its them blowing up school buses...
 

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It is a sad state of affairs in Iraq now that is for sure... And this stuff happens in Iran and Afghanistan and Africa, etc... Some days I look at the news and I just think What the hell is going on in this world??? I really do not understand how we as human beings can continue this way... Children should not have t suffer like this... no one deserves to suffer like this... it really is time for this to come to an end... The sad part is, who is going to stop it?
 

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When you get sick of all the bad news in the world go here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13282721/

I was happy to find this site a while ago - wonderful world, too bad there isn't a tv news channel that focuses on the good stories only.

It helps to think of what 'you' can do to make the world better. As a start, add some links on your blog or webpage to causes you support. This is not meant at anyone in particular, just focus on what you can do to make the world better. Sounds corny but taking some action is better than just worrying about all the problems in the world.
 

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too bad there isn't a tv news channel that focuses on the good stories only.

There was, I think Ted Turner owned it. It only lasted a few months.
 

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Los Angeles Times
March 1, 2007

No Bombing Of Ramadi Soccer Field, U.S. Says

The dismissal of reports of 18 boys being killed in the city, where GIs had set off a controlled blast, points up difficulty in arriving at the truth.

By Tina Susman, Times Staff Writer

BAGHDAD — The story was horrific, even when compared with the daily dose of brutality that Iraqis endure: 18 boys killed by a massive bomb while kicking a ball around a soccer field in Ramadi, their young lives ending in a senseless attack in one of Iraq's most volatile cities.

State-run Al Iraqiya TV first reported the incident shortly after 8 p.m. Tuesday, scrolling the words across the bottom of the screen. Other television stations quickly followed with their own reports. Before the night was out, Prime Minister Nouri Maliki had condemned the act, as had the United Nations Children's Fund.

On Wednesday, though, the U.S. military said the report was false and suggested that someone had lied to stir up trouble in Ramadi, a center of Sunni Arab insurgent activity in the western province of Al Anbar. In reality, it said, a controlled detonation of a weapons cache by U.S. troops had gone awry, injuring 31 people, none seriously.

"There was no [bomb] blast and there were no 18 children killed," Navy Rear Adm. Mark I. Fox, a U.S. military spokesman, said at a news briefing.

Iraqi television dropped the report Wednesday night, and some officials in Ramadi backed off their earlier statements, saying people may have mixed up the purported incident with another bombing.

The one clear thing to emerge from all the confusion was just how difficult it is to get to the truth and how easy it is to inflame the already seething Sunni-Shiite tensions in Iraq, at a time when Maliki's Shiite Muslim-led government is struggling to contain sectarian bloodshed.

Maliki's hasty response blamed "criminal gangs," a clear euphemism for Sunni Arab insurgents who in recent days have attacked a college campus, restaurants and marketplaces.

"This horrendous act affirms that these gangs are not related to Islam and Muhammad's teachings, and reveal the ugly face of the princes of slaughter," he said.

Because the initial reports came out at night, close to curfew and in a city far too dangerous for most to venture out after dark, the TV coverage did not include footage from the scene.

Given the extent of violence in Iraq, the reported attack, although startling for the apparent targeting of children at play, was entirely plausible. Children and youths frequently are caught in the middle of Iraq's sectarian war and have been targeted in the past.

In July 2005, a suicide bomber struck on a Baghdad street where U.S. troops were handing out candy, and at least 18 children were among the dead. In recent weeks, college campuses have twice been hit by deadly suicide blasts.

In addition, Sunni-dominated Al Anbar province has been struck by a series of bombings as Al Qaeda-related extremists vie for dominance over the region. Earlier in the week, a Sunni mosque in the province was bombed after the imam preached against the Al Qaeda terrorist network.

The report of the soccer field bombing was bolstered by comments from Ramadi police and hospital officials, as well as purported witnesses.

Many gave conflicting accounts, but that is not unusual in Iraq, where initial reports of bombings often prove to be very different from fact.

Some accounts said all the victims were young boys. Others said the victims included women. Maliki's statement said both women and children had been killed.

According to some, the attack occurred at 3 p.m. Others said it was after 5 p.m.

One police supervisor said the bomb was so powerful that it vaporized many of the victims, his explanation for the absence of bodies.

Many people said they saw victims being carried away by U.S. troops.

"The explosion was very huge, and the people started evacuating the victims," said Abdallah Salim, a Ramadi resident. "Then U.S. forces came and surrounded the area, and they helped in evacuating some people to the U.S. base to be treated at the U.S. hospital there."

U.S. military officials said accounts such as Salim's could be explained by the presence of U.S. forces who were in the area near the soccer field, having just set off the controlled detonation, and who helped treat those injured by shrapnel. Some of the wounded were taken to a hospital at a nearby U.S. base, said Fox, the U.S. military spokesman, who described all of the injuries as relatively minor.

Fox said the troops had moved the cache, seized Tuesday in a residential area, to an abandoned building to destroy it in a controlled blast, but misjudged the amount of munitions.

"It was a much greater explosion than was anticipated," Fox said. "There were some superficial injuries."

He said the blast occurred in the same neighborhood as the soccer field and sent debris flying into it, but he denied anyone was killed.

"The allegation was false. Obviously someone was stirring," he said, before pausing for a few seconds. "I can only speculate as to what was going on."

Claire Hajaj, a UNICEF spokeswoman, said the organization, which on Tuesday night had issued a statement condemning the attack, was no longer convinced that it had occurred. Hajaj said UNICEF did not have independent confirmation of the incident and had based its response on the same reports that apparently prompted Maliki's statement.

Even in a situation as confusing as Iraq's, she said, the incident had proved more confusing than most.

A special correspondent in Ramadi contributed to this report.
 

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No God would forgive such cowardness to slaughter children.

I'm not sure which one is your "My God, my Bible, my teaching", but I am aware of a bizarre religious sect that you would probably do a good job to avoid.

Believe it or not, there is an oddball religion which advances a doctrine that their God allowed precisely that - the slaughter of his own innocent child - precisely for the reason of providing forgiveness.

You wouldn't last long among religious nuts like that, whose beliefs appear to be the exact opposite of yours.
 

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If I Had A Rocket Launcher - by Bruce Cockburn

Here comes the helicopter
Second time today
Everybody scatters
And hopes it goes away
How many kids they've murdered
Only God can say

If I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher... I'd make somebody pay

I don't believe in guarded borders
And I don't believe in hate
I don't believe in generals
Or their stinking torture states
And when I talk with the survivors
Of things too sickening to relate

If I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher... I would retaliate

On the Rio Lacantun,
One hundred thousand wait
To fall down from starvation
Or some less humane fate
Cry for Guatemala,
With a corpse in every gate

If I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher... I would not hesitate

I want to raise every voice
At least I've got to try
Every time I think about it
Water rises to my eyes.
Situation desperate,
Echoes of the victims cry

If I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher... Some son of a bitch would die
 

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I'm not sure which one is your "My God, my Bible, my teaching", but I am aware of a bizarre religious sect that you would probably do a good job to avoid.

Believe it or not, there is an oddball religion which advances a doctrine that their God allowed precisely that - the slaughter of his own innocent child - precisely for the reason of providing forgiveness.

You wouldn't last long among religious nuts like that, whose beliefs appear to be the exact opposite of yours.
Had this story played out to be true, and you can find in your heart to forgive the slaughter of children in the name of Jihad or whatever religious principle, the more power to you.

If your heart forgives the daily suicide bombers and the car bomb attacks that have killed tens of thousands of civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, nations in Africa, and other nations across the globe, then more power to you. Because that is powerful mojo.

As a former veteran who has witnessed death firsthand all for the sake of some political or religious cause and now someone who has dedicated their life to serve, aide, and preserve life as a medical professional, I can not forgive those that kill and slaughter and maim and abuse children.

If I am to be condemned bacause I can not find in my heart to forgive those that slaughter the innocent for any cause, then that is something I will have to deal with in the end. But until you have experienced this firsthand (perhaps you have) or have worked for hours on end attempting to save the life of a child (perhaps you have) all the while hoping and praying for that child and the parents, then perhaps you can understand my feelings.

If people had followed the 10 Commandments set forth from the same God both you and I are referencing, including the one that says Though Shall Not Kill things would be a whole lot less complicated. 10 basic rules, 10 basic principles, 10 basic laws.

If kings and queens fought their own wars, there would be no wars.

Yes, as members of the Christian faith we believe that God gave his only child that all may be forgiven. But to take that and put it in the context of the needless slaughter seen on a global scale by suicide bombers and terroist attacts that we are witnessing day in and day out...I'm not sure this is forgiveness that God was intending. Not that I am questioning God and his intent, but this is the same God who stopped Abraham from sacrificing his son Isaac.

Because of my convictions, my faith, and my dedication to helping others and preserving life, I have lasted quite well "among religious nuts like that" and being part of them.

If I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher
If I had a rocket launcher... Some son of a bitch would die
I am a fan and very familiar with Bruce Cockburn. I applaud his efforts to raise awareness of the situation of refugees and victims of landmines.

That particular song references helicopter attacks by the military of Guatemala on refugee camps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_cockburn

As far as casual radio listeners were concerned, however, these concerns became evident only with Cockburn's second radio hit, in 1984, the song If I Had a Rocket Launcher from the Stealing Fire album. He had written the song a year earlier, after visiting Guatemalan refugee camps in Mexico that were attacked before and after his visit by Guatemalan military helicopters. His political activism continues to the present: Cockburn has traveled to many countries (from Mozambique to Iraq), played countless benefits, and written many songs on a variety of political subjects ranging from the International Monetary Fund to landmines. His internationalist bent is reflected in the many "world music" touches (reggae, Latin, etc.) found in his music.


Again, references to the slaughter of children and civilians. No one, no country can claim innocence or colateral damage when it comes to this.

"'And they brought young children to Him, that He should touch them: and His disciples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, He was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God' (Mark 10:13-14).
 

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loll....theyre doing this for the love of god...so they can go to heaven....thats why they do it..suicide bombers etc etc...they get brainwashed into.....
 

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I believe you missed my point. All I'm saying is that there is a religion in which the alleged deity sacrificed its own child for the very purpose of forgiveness.

10 basic rules, 10 basic principles, 10 basic laws.

If you are referring to what I think you are referring to, there is utterly nothing in those rules about forgiveness of any kind.

If people had followed the 10 Commandments set forth from the same God both you and I are referencing, including the one that says Though Shall Not Kill, there would be no need for lawyers.

I see. So if you accidentally run over someone with your car and kill them, and the victim's family claims you did it on purpose, then you would want to be represented in court by a plumber?

Can you provide some sort of breakdown of how many lawyers we could eliminate by partial compliance with these "10 basic rules".

For example, if everyone followed the first one about priority of worship among competing gods, then we might get rid of say, 5%.

Or if everyone honored the sabbath, then I suppose we'd eliminate an even 1 out of every 7 lawyers.

Hey... how come an entire tribe of Israel - the Levites - were given the job of interpreting and applying these "10 basic rules" (and how come they seem to have been given a bunch of other rules from the same deity - like the "abomination" of eating shellfish?)

They weren't... shudder... LAWYERS, were they?

But do keep this idea under wraps. Graven images cases are about 25% of my practice.

Bottom line, and be sure to note - I AGREE WITH YOU. If everyone believed and followed your religion, there would be few problems in the world. Of course, a lot of the world's problems seem to revolve around people who think that if everyone believed and followed their religion, there would be few problems in the world.

It's a fairly simple symmetry, don't you think? After all, if everyone were Muslim, then Islamic radicals would have little to complain about.

loll....theyre doing this for the love of god...so they can go to heaven....thats why they do it..suicide bombers etc etc...they get brainwashed into.....


There are people who even think their god wants them to kill donkeys....


20 When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so every man charged straight in, and they took the city. 21 They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.


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34 Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Lachish to Eglon; they took up positions against it and attacked it. 35 They captured it that same day and put it to the sword and totally destroyed everyone in it, just as they had done to Lachish.

36 Then Joshua and all Israel with him went up from Eglon to Hebron and attacked it. 37 They took the city and put it to the sword, together with its king, its villages and everyone in it. They left no survivors. Just as at Eglon, they totally destroyed it and everyone in it.

38 Then Joshua and all Israel with him turned around and attacked Debir. 39 They took the city, its king and its villages, and put them to the sword. Everyone in it they totally destroyed. They left no survivors. They did to Debir and its king as they had done to Libnah and its king and to Hebron.

40 So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with all their kings. He left no survivors. He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded.


This "God doesn't want anyone to kill" stuff is utterly incompatible with at least one rendering of what God wants.

Oh, don't tell me, let me guess - there were no children in these places?
 

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I believe you missed my point. All I'm saying is that there is a religion in which the alleged deity sacrificed its own child for the very purpose of forgiveness.
If you would be so kind to go back and see my edits as to not inflame although I see how that can be taken that way. That is why I edited my own response while apparently you were doing a rebuttal and posted the same during my edit.

I did misinterpret your comments. Working 12 hour nights shifts and getting on average 4-5 hours sleep at times makes you a little numb in the head at times. I am not sure and was not sure where you were coming from from your references relating to my comments regarding my God, my Bible, etc., etc., and lasting among a religious sect.

"If you are referring to what I think you are referring to, there is utterly nothing in those rules about forgiveness of any kind."[/]

True. They were not that explicit in that sense.

"I see. So if you accidentally run over someone with your car and kill them, and the victim's family claims you did it on purpose, then you would want to be represented in court by a plumber?"

Naw, I want to be represented by someone who is passionate about their work and their beliefs...a professional in their specialty committed to their ethics and principles...as you appear to be.

"Hey... how come an entire tribe of Israel - the Levites - were given the job of interpreting and applying these "10 basic rules" (and how come they seem to have been given a bunch of other rules from the same deity - like the "abomination" of eating shellfish?)"

The original comment that you reference was a basis of pointing out just how simple it could have been. Nothing more, nothing less. Just as I may have misintrepreted your remarks regarding my faith and commitment, perhaps you did the same with that one word. A poor choice of words.

The reason we have so many different religions, even among Christiandom, is every one's own interpretation of those same words and principles, or the "laws" so to speak as set forth.

"Bottom line, and be sure to note - I AGREE WITH YOU. If everyone believed and followed your religion, there would be few problems in the world. Of course, a lot of the world's problems seem to revolve around people who think that if everyone believed and followed their religion, there would be few problems in the world."

I'm glad we cleared that up.

"It's a fairly simple symmetry, don't you think? After all, if everyone were Muslim, then Islamic radicals would have little to complain about."

Or fight with the exception among their own tribes and sects.

20 When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so every man charged straight in, and they took the city. 21 They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

'Oh, don't tell me, let me guess - there were no children in these places?"


Interesting point to ponder.

But if we (or I) am to believe our teachings (each of course subject to their own interpretations) the Old Testament was a "God of Vengeance" whereas the New Testament is a "God of Love". I also wish religions and life in general was this simple.

But it's not. We live in a different age and time when these books were written and handed down.
 

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But if we (or I) am to believe our teachings (each of course subject to their own interpretations) the Old Testament was a "God of Vengeance" whereas the New Testament is a "God of Love".

Yep. I tend to start out grumpy in the morning myself.

Why, just yesterday I went from 8AM to 11AM knocking off Egyptian first-born children.

By 3 in the afternoon, I was handing out popsicles.

Life is like that. I can certainly relate to this Jehovah character.

this is the same God who stopped Abraham from sacrificing his son Isaac.

Oh.... you tempt me with that one. :)

Yes, Abraham's demonstrated willingness to kill an infant is indeed what that deity found to be attractive about him.

Didn't stop Jephthah the Gileadite, tho'. But, after all, that was only a girl. (And Jephthah gets props from Paul in Hebrews 11:32-34 for what he did. Check out Judges 11:29-39 for the details.)
 
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