What's the big deal doing transfers? I see threads where you say 'push only' buy why?

[David G]

Basically the only registrar beyond Moniker I accept a push at is GD, but even there somewhat reluctantly. I am consolidating my names at one registrar (Moniker) who I find excellent overall but still have some at GD, and what with pushes it seems I always have a small number at GD.

Recently, several times the DNF seller had names at registrars I did not deal with and was reluctant to approve a transfer and wanted to do a push instead, which I refused. Just 2 weeks ago had that happen where with an annoying series of pm's with seller preferring to do a push against my wishes ("Never say no when a client asks for something, even if it is the moon. You can always try, and anyhow there is plenty of time afterwards to explain it was not possible" ~Richard Nixon). Finally I threw in the towel and cancelled the puchase of the low xxx name.

A question I have for some members here is what's the big deal doing transfers? I see lots of threads where you post 'push only' but why? With a Moniker transfer there's little work to do since buyer starts the process and pays for it. All you need to do is send the needed auth code and approve the email Moniker will send you.

Why be so stubborn over such a petty thing ("Never Be Petty" ~Richard Nixon) and possibly lose buyers because you are too lazy or unhelpful to do those simple steps, makes no sense to me. BTW, if I see your thread says push only (re most registrars), myself and likely some other buyers too would be unlikely to buy your names.

 

[Poohnix]

The only reason I see for insisting on a Push instead of a transfer, is if the domain was registered or transferred less than 60 days ago, so it can't be transferred out.
Other than that - the only reasons I see are shady reasons - the "seller" doesn't want the real owner getting an email regarding the transfer...

 

[David G]

The only reason I see for insisting on a Push instead of a transfer, is if the domain was registered or transferred less than 60 days ago, so it can't be transferred out.
Other than that - the only reasons I see are shady reasons - the "seller" doesn't want the real owner getting an email regarding the transfer...

Of course if the 60 day rule is in effect a push is needed. I am referring to names not involving the 60 day lock time period.

 

[copper]

Possible reasons :?: :?: :?:

Push - instant
Transfer - could take as long as 5 days meaning deal may NOT complete for up to 5 days.

at some registrar, it's hard to get auth/transfer code.

Seller may be paranoid of being scammed - may be easier to get the domain back if domain stay at same registrar when buyer is trying to scam the seller.

 

[Gerry]

When I sell names for basically lowball numbers, I typically use PUSH ONLY for a number of reasons:

• Difficult to keep up with all the transfers if I am selling 20 or 30 at a time
• Each name sold would entail an authorization email sent to me to turn around and send to the buyer
• In some cases, another email would come to me to turn around and send to the buyer with security codes (think GoDaddy)
• I would rather get the name in the person's hands (and contact) thereby allowing all the emails to come directly to them
• Push eliminates all that additional back and forth, back and forth

Higher priced, lower volume names do require a lot of interaction and cooperative effort.

I have bent and ignored my own rules. To give you an example, looking just at the PM's exchanged between the buyer and myself from a recent sale I had, because someone wanted me to provide transfer to their registrar;

• 31 PM's exchanged back and forth
• 6 emails containing auth code sent to me
• 6 emails containing security code sent to me
• 12 emails I had to forward on to the buyer

This was one transaction of many. Taking hours (or even days due to time zones) to complete a 25 buck sale is a monumental waste of time.

The new owner can accept the domain as a push and then transfer out at their leisure.

But, I am sure I will do it again.

I am not too keen on a popularity contest but I put value into the iTrader rating and that reputation.

I don't mind working with the buyer and taking steps to make someone happy, but you can imagine the time involved if the above scenario was played out 11 different times for 11 different buyers.

 

[DomainsInc]

pushes are just easier. i have one guy who has been trying to transfer a domain for over a month now...and the money is locked up in escrow until he does.

 

[A D]

A push is free while a transfer costs a year of registration.

-=DCG=-

 

[Biggie]

Basically the only registrar beyond Moniker I accept a push at is GD, but even there somewhat reluctantly. I am consolidating my names at one registrar (Moniker) who I find excellent overall but still have some at GD, and what with pushes it seems I always have a small number at GD.

Recently, several times the DNF seller had names at registrars I did not deal with and was reluctant to approve a transfer and wanted to do a push instead, which I refused. Just 2 weeks ago had that happen where with an annoying series of pm's with seller preferring to do a push against my wishes ("Never say no when a client asks for something, even if it is the moon. You can always try, and anyhow there is plenty of time afterwards to explain it was not possible" ~Richard Nixon). Finally I threw in the towel and cancelled the puchase of the low xxx name.

A question I have for some members here is what's the big deal doing transfers? I see lots of threads where you post 'push only' but why? With a Moniker transfer there's little work to do since buyer starts the process and pays for it. All you need to do is send the needed auth code and approve the email Moniker will send you.

Why be so stubborn over such a petty thing ("Never Be Petty" ~Richard Nixon) and possibly lose buyers because you are too lazy or unhelpful to do those simple steps, makes no sense to me. BTW, if I see your thread says push only (re most registrars), myself and likely some other buyers too would be unlikely to buy your names.

there have been quite a few instances since i've been domaining, where i've passed on buying a domain from another domainer, simply because of where it was registered.



so, others may get the name and have no problem with waiting for the seller to approve transfer requests or waiting for the registrar to release the domain.


it may be my loss, but i look at it as "potential stress" that i won't have to deal with.


now when selling, if the buyer wants a transfer....no problem

 

[JuniperPark]

If your registrar is locking your domain for 60 days on a push, it's time to find a BETTER registrar. eNom only locks 7 days for a 2nd push, no lock for transfer.

Transferring between registrars has NOTHING to do with ownership changes... that is nonsense that some low-end registrar made up years ago to get more business, and the lie continues today.

I changes policy years ago and do not get involved with registrar transfers because
1) It has nothing to do with the ownership change,
2) most buyers don't even know what it MEANS
3) most buys who ask for it are doing so because they were told by an unscrupulous web host that they "must" be the registrar in order to host the web site (a lie)
4) I have no control over the transfer, yet you are asking me to GUARANTEE it work perfectly or it will be "my" fault and I will not get paid
5) Transfers CAN take up to a month, and waste hours of my time especially with bad registrars. A push is done in a few seconds.
6) If the buyer turns out to be a con artist or using a stolen account, I can get the domain back in a push. No so with a transfer. Criminals demand transfers.

Hope that clears up why NOBODY should be doing registrar changes as part of a domain sale.

Oh, and following the philosophy of a failure and a exposed cheater (Nixon) is rather strange thing to do, unless you are trying to fail.

 

[David G]

You are seriously misunderstanding, no, I would never ask for a transfer without paying FISRT (as I am sure is the case wth others who also require transfers). I am patient and very willing to wait 5 or more days after payment is completed for the transfer to take place. There have been times where I waited as long as 10 days after payment, no big deal for me.

Re Richard Nixon, I have a Famous Quotes website which I was working on today and why I posted those 2 quotes. Nixon actually has 10 popular quotes on the site. BTW, Pres Nixon has the most inspiring and best quotes I have ever read. Other people will attest to that too. He had truly amazingly well worded famous quotes. His main error was not being upfront about Watergate, other than that issue I believe he was a good President.

p.s. Do you disagree with those quotes? The advice can be real beneficial to follow. And this one is excellent and applicable to: "Always remember, others may hate you. But those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." ~Richard Nixon

4) I have no control over the transfer, yet you are asking me to GUARANTEE it work perfectly or it will be "my" fault and I will not get paid

Oh, and following the philosophy of a failure and a exposed cheater (Nixon) is rather strange thing to do, unless you are trying to fail.

 

[DomainsInc]

You are seriously misunderstanding, no, I would never ask for a transfer without paying FISRT (as I am sure is the case wth others who also require transfers). I am patient and very willing to wait 5 or more days after payment is completed for the transfer to take place. There have been times where I waited as long as 10 days after payment, no big deal for me.

Re Richard Nixon, I have a Famous Quotes website which I was working on today and why I posted those 2 quotes. Nixon actually has 10 popular quotes on the site. BTW, Pres Nixon has the most inspiring and best quotes I have ever read. Other people will attest to that too. He had truly amazingly well worded famous quotes. His main error was not being upfront about Watergate, other than that issue I believe he was a good President.

p.s. Do you disagree with those quotes? The advice can be real beneficial to follow. And this one is excellent and applicable to: "Always remember, others may hate you. But those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." ~Richard Nixon

sure, its fine if you're just dealing with small sales/trusted buyers but in other cases where escrow.com or whatever is used, the seller won't get the money until the domain is transferred.

 

[woeger]

My experience is that I will only sell to PUSH only buyers. I have an excellent reputation on DNF since 2002, and I want the transaction done immediately. I also require buyers to pay within 24 hours via PayPal and be an established forum members with some iTrader, and not newbies that just joined the forum. I have had too many problems with inexperienced domain buyers who don't pay or else back out and want their money back when they get "cold feet" on making a domain purchase. I want the transaction to be fast, fair, and over very quickly with both parties being happy. Waiting a week or so to (hopefully) complete a transfer is just too much of a hassle for me. I want to sell it and forget it. I am sorry if that does not agree with you, but it has served me well since my names have either been at Moniker (most of the recent ones) or eNom a few years back. I avoid Godaddy at all costs, as I really do not care for them. I often buy a domain from someone and it is a Godaddy, and I transfer it out to Moniker after 60 days.

Since you asked, I have expressed my reasons for doing PUSH only sales. I rarely reply to threads here, but thought it might help you to understand why others do what they do concerning their domains sales.

 

[AMERICAR]

A push can be a very un-safe mechanism .. exceptions being domainers that you know very well .. it's a case of trust me

http://www.dnforum.com/f496/100-uk-...visionaldrivinglicence-com-thread-409579.html

 

[woeger]

I agree AMERICAR. Any domain transaction can go bad. I have had several people over the years agree to buy a domain from me and never follow through with payment. I have never had anyone push a name to me and then take the name back. Also, I have never had anyone scam me using PayPal. I have been very fortunate with my DNF transactions to never have been victimized by scams.

That is why I say I will only deal with established people with good iTrader on DNF. This policy has worked well for me. Trust is the #1 key when doing any transaction on a forum.

 

[silentg]

To me push or transfer depends on the buyers reputation on the forum. If a buyer is paying with PayPal then I tell them to include the domain name in the subject and body as well.

 

[JuniperPark]

To me push or transfer depends on the buyers reputation on the forum. If a buyer is paying with PayPal then I tell them to include the domain name in the subject and body as well.

This a actually a very important point.

There have been a couple of scam artists who would send PayPal payments with absolutely NO information, you push the domain, then they tell PayPal they bought a physical item from you that never arrived, and you won't be able to produce a signature on a delivery slip. ALWAYS reject "blank" PayPal payments.

 

[WhoDatDog]

Lots of reasons. Many good answers so far, but the main reason for me is that there is a finality and immediacy to the transaction that makes domaining more enjoyable. Just like ordering a book from Amazon.com. You can order, and you know you will get it, but then it becomes something that you have to look for, and then you start thinking about when the mail man is going to show up. It would be much better if there was a Barnes and Noble right next door and you could stop by and pick it up and start reading today. That is from a buyer's perspective, and the same holds true from a seller. It is just more pleasurable and efficient to complete the transaction right then.

The higher value the name, the more hoops most people are willing to jump through. If I get a bid for a name at Sedo, I will negotiate with that buyer only. I do not want to get caught up in some 7 day auction that can drag on and make it so your payment doesn't arrive for weeks. It is the same principle of finality. To me, that takes the fun out of it, as it brings other things into play, and more often than not it is bad things.

People always ask why names at Snap Names and Name Jet go for higher prices than at the forums. It is because domainers like dealing with the least amount of transactons as possible. They know that all they have to do is bid on the name and pay the money if they win. The rest will generally be a no-hassle affair, whereas, if they were to bid on a name in a thread at a forum, then there can be surprises like failure to deliver the name, etc.

Efficiency, not having pending transactions to monitor, and eliminating as many potential negative surprises as possible, are the concepts. Just like some businesses don't take checks. Cash or credit, please, so we are done with this right now.

 

[Raider]

Lots of reasons. Many good answers so far, but the main reason for me is that there is a finality and immediacy to the transaction that makes domaining more enjoyable. Just like ordering a book from Amazon.com. You can order, and you know you will get it, but then it becomes something that you have to look for, and then you start thinking about when the mail man is going to show up. It would be much better if there was a Barnes and Noble right next door and you could stop by and pick it up and start reading today. That is from a buyer's perspective, and the same holds true from a seller. It is just more pleasurable and efficient to complete the transaction right then.

The higher value the name, the more hoops most people are willing to jump through. If I get a bid for a name at Sedo, I will negotiate with that buyer only. I do not want to get caught up in some 7 day auction that can drag on and make it so your payment doesn't arrive for weeks. It is the same principle of finality. To me, that takes the fun out of it, as it brings other things into play, and more often than not it is bad things.

People always ask why names at Snap Names and Name Jet go for higher prices than at the forums. It is because domainers like dealing with the least amount of transactons as possible. They know that all they have to do is bid on the name and pay the money if they win. The rest will generally be a no-hassle affair, whereas, if they were to bid on a name in a thread at a forum, then there can be surprises like failure to deliver the name, etc.

Efficiency, not having pending transactions to monitor, and eliminating as many potential negative surprises as possible, are the concepts. Just like some businesses don't take checks. Cash or credit, please, so we are done with this right now.

Very well written post, my compliments.