For Sale Why i don't care for WLS and still will be on the winning side.

[beatz]

I hate WLS.
I hate Verisign.
I hate ICANN.

But i'm still pretty relaxed about the whole WLS as it won't affect me a lot anyways.

Here is what i will do:

If i want a name that might or might not drop - i will call up the owner and try to buy it from them.Simple.

As my phone skills are excellent and as i'm not afraid of the phone, know how to contact and how to deal with decision makers etc. i might even profit from WLS by *maybe* offering a broker/buying/contact service for the ones who have issues calling up companies/owners.

This will be the way to do it for me in 90% of cases.

For the other 10% - i might buy a WLS one day before drop time if it isn't taken already which will be very unlikely anyway.

I guess most WLS holders will be disappointed to see "their" names to be bought off before the expected drop date.

I will be the guy who bought "your" WLS name.

And guess what - there won't even be a conflict of interest for me calling up the owner as i could care less if he renews..as i won't have a WLS slot for the name anyway.

And there is another trick but i won't reveal THAT in public.

Have fun.

 

[Deleted member 4749]

Beatz...
_Guess what ?
Your plain will fail.
_Y?
Cuz you are not alone.
_Meaning?
Others will be calling as well.
_When?
Before you.

Have fun.
Yakov

 

[Digital Address]

Dear beatz:

1). A whole bunch of owners are going to renew their names after you've informed them and they will not be doing the deal with you! Why? Because now they think their name has become EXTREMELY valuable and why should they bother selling it to you! (Been there, done that countless times!)

2). A whole bunch of owners cannot be contacted because they've abandoned their names! (Email, address, etc. are NFG)!

What you are proposing to do sounds like a no-brainer but in reality you will learn the effects of greed first hand. Not wishing any ill will, just relaying from past experience. So good luck!

 

[beatz]

True, might happen.

But i will be there before them.

Plus there are few other aspects of the game that you might not be fully aware of.

But good luck anyways.

 

[beatz]

It's really very simple:

My point is that in a WLS situation where a name might drop or might not, where a name might or might not be bought off the current owner, i will sleep much better if i don't rely on a potential worthless WLS subscription but rather on my own skills.

Plus, as said, if i don't have the WLS slot for a name, there is nothing to loose for me at the moment calling up the owner which is an advantage.

But anyways - everyone has their strategies.

Oh yeah - and with a name like WLservice.com waiting for resale/development you can't lose anyways. :-D

 

[Nexus]

Everyone will have their techniques. I think they will all have varying degrees of effectiveness. I was able to track down the owner of SECRETAGENT.COM long before the name dropped. I had to actually go to dialog and find a collection of his previous contacts (on other names), purchase these records, call several similar names (for the person) in varying states, before I got to a business the "real" owner of the name was tangentially related to. I then had to play tag, trying to catch him while he wasn't in a business meeting.

Finally, he swore he wasn't interested in selling, and subsequently (several months later) let the name drop (right into Buy Domain's hands). If I saw him in person, ohhh.... I'd give him such a pinch! ;-)

~ Nexus

 

[mole]

Originally posted by Nexus
Finally, he swore he wasn't interested in selling, and subsequently (several months later) let the name drop (right into Buy Domain's hands).

You'ld be surprised, but many people don't give a damn about domain names, don't care about the money they could possibly make from selling them, and don't ever want to be even remotely associated with potential accusations of cybersquatting on domain names.

You never know who it is on the other side of the line...

 

[Luc]

From past experience 98% of the time the current owner will
renew unless the offer is astronomical.

Soon enough what will end up happening (4 months-1 year of
WLS launch) registrars will get a lot of complaints from their
clients and will start to offer "PRIVACY WHOIS", which basically
points all whois info to registrar except the e-mail in order to
protect the end user from getting slammed with offers via
e-mail, mail and phone.

There are about 3 registrars who have already done this.

Once people realize that it's no good to leave their real phone
number on whois and once registrars start to offer these extra
privacy services for extra $$, the "calling plan" won't work.

Needless to say, the competition for these domains will be
extremely fierce, there will be a lot of people on the phone.

The auctions will move from server based scripts to phone, and
persuasion abilities will be more important than programming
skills.

Luc L.

 

[Steen]

Originally posted by beatz
I hate WLS.
I hate Verisign.
I hate ICANN.

But i'm still pretty relaxed about the whole WLS as it won't affect me a lot anyways.

Here is what i will do:

If i want a name that might or might not drop - i will call up the owner and try to buy it from them.Simple.

As my phone skills are excellent and as i'm not afraid of the phone, know how to contact and how to deal with decision makers etc. i might even profit from WLS by *maybe* offering a broker/buying/contact service for the ones who have issues calling up companies/owners.

This will be the way to do it for me in 90% of cases.

For the other 10% - i might buy a WLS one day before drop time if it isn't taken already which will be very unlikely anyway.

I guess most WLS holders will be disappointed to see "their" names to be bought off before the expected drop date.

I will be the guy who bought "your" WLS name.

And guess what - there won't even be a conflict of interest for me calling up the owner as i could care less if he renews..as i won't have a WLS slot for the name anyway.

And there is another trick but i won't reveal THAT in public.

Have fun.

:laugh: :laugh:


Beatz,

Many (including me) have been doing this in the past (many fhave been doing it for years).


WLS willl only make the compitition in calling the owners up higher.


I think you are kidding yourself.

 

[CallMeJ]

Once people realize that it's no good to leave their real phone
number on whois and once registrars start to offer these extra
privacy services for extra $$, the "calling plan" won't work.

I can't imagine complaining to my registrar when people are calling me with an offer for a domain. :-D Certainly, one nearing expiration.

The secondary market is a little silly right now, IMO. I could let some domains expire and someone would be paid 500% of the amount I would sell it for, just for catching them.

 

[beatz]

Devildude,

learn to read.

Did i say anywhere that calling up owners is something that *hasn't* been done in the past ?!

I have done that in the past, do it all the time and will do in the future.

My point was just that with WLS

- this strategy will be more important than ever before
- phonecalls to owners will happen more than ever before.

Sheesh. As said, learn to read.

 

[mole]

Originally posted by CallMeJ
The secondary market is a little silly right now, IMO. I could let some domains expire and someone would be paid 500% of the amount I would sell it for, just for catching them.

Fully agree, call. It seems there is a sickness out there that afflicts domainers - it's called the "thrill of the chase" - symptoms are doesn't matter what name, so long as I got it in a drop, and I feel great.

The human mind is a strange thing - sometimes brilliant, sometimes totally moronic. Hype feeds it. Pride, drives it. :evil:

 

[CallMeJ]

Originally posted by DNMole


Fully agree, call. It seems there is a sickness out there that afflicts domainers - it's called the "thrill of the chase" - symptoms are doesn't matter what name, so long as I got it in a drop, and I feel great.

Yep... I contribute to it as well. :laugh:

 

[askii]

Beatz, I think you are right on the money.
thestorebackdoor.com is available and I'm
sure that when the domain owner is informed
that a WLS has been placed on his name a
small light will go off in his head.
You could even offer to renew the name as
a service. I've contacted a few name owners with names about
to expire as an experiment and found
they are 100% ready to listen to
a domain experienced person about
something they have no clue.
You could always put in a name transfer
request and let the registrars do the contacting for you.
Say transfer the name to "YourNameIsMoney"
and wait for the calls.
Good luck with your process.

 

[mole]

Originally posted by askii
I've contacted a few name owners with names about
to expire as an experiment and found
they are 100% ready to listen to
a domain experienced person about
something they have no clue.

But of course, there are few people on the internet like dwain who have a phd in domains.