For Sale Will it still expire?

[Syd]

I wonder if anyone could help me out here; regarding the 'On Hold' or 'Expiring Soon' lists on Local Whois or Domainsbot. Upon checking the whois info of names on the lists, I have noticed that some names listed as expired still have plenty of time before they expire (according to the ‘Registrar Info’). One of many examples (of which I do not have the snap): ********.com [Thought I had better censor it, in case the publication offends the owner of the snap]:

Record expires on 16-Aug-2003.
Record created on 15-Aug-1996.

What’s it all about? (!) Do these name still get deleted before the "Record expires" date? If so... why?
There are a couple of names that I would like to snap up affected in this way, but reluctant to spend the 'sponds' for this very reason.

Cheers,

(A confused) Syd.

 

[Zoobar]

Owner renewed after it expired but before it was deleted from the records.

 

[Syd]

Cheers Zoobar, that would certainly explain what has happened to that specific name; but many other names with future expiry dates also listed, another example (that I don't want to reveal):

Record created on 2002-04-23 02:36:17.0
Record expires on 2003-04-23 02:36:17.0

And this name has been added to the 'On-Hold' lists recently.

 

[Zoobar]

If the name was with Network Solutions it could be in the register for any number of days. They have no standard for deleting.

I would be suspicious of any NSI name being renewed more than 45 days after expiry if the name is a "Gem Name". If your keen on the name you may want to continue monitoring the WHOIS info to see if ownership changes hands.

 

[Syd]

Cheers Again,

Check this for a weird example (not of what I was previously talking about, but strange whois goings on!):

I was monitoring Galleries.org, a name that was all set to be deleted; this is a Snapnames alert from around a week ago (Old values first):

We detected a change to galleries.org at the
Registrar, NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.

----------<Change at registrar level>------------
Old Values
Registrant:
Art Work Inc. (GALLERIES3-DOM)
254 Hillside Drive
Pacifica, CA 94044

Domain Name: GALLERIES.ORG

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Osborne, Jeffrey (JO790) jeff@KITTYCHEN.COM
Osborne Networks
254 Hillside Drive
Pacifica, CA 94044
650 738 1435 (FAX) 650 738 1435

Record expires on 05-Oct-1999.
Record created on 04-Oct-1996.

Domain servers in listed order:

GALLERIES.ORG 198.32.136.212
RANMA.COM 206.67.152.169 Registrant:
Art Work Inc. (GALLERIES3-DOM)
254 Hillside Drive
Pacifica, CA 94044

New Values
Domain Name: GALLERIES.ORG

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Osborne, Jeffrey (JO790) jeff@KITTYCHEN.COM
Osborne Networks
254 Hillside Drive
Pacifica, CA 94044
650 738 1435 (FAX) 650 738 1435

Record expires on 05-Oct-2002.
Record created on 04-Oct-1996.


Domain servers in listed order:

GALLERIES.ORG 198.32.136.212
RANMA.COM 206.67.152.169


>Here is a current whois lookup for Galleries.org:


Whois lookup for galleries.org
Domain found
Domain name: galleries.org

Name servers:
ns1.mydomain.com
ns2.mydomain.com
ns3.mydomain.com
ns4.mydomain.com

Creation date: Fri Oct 04 1996 00:00:00
Expiration date: Fri Oct 03 2003 00:00:00

Registrant Contact:

Host Master (domainbrokerage@yahoo.com)
4579944
Corcega, 382 3-1
Barcelona, 94044
ES


Billing, Administrative Contact:

Host Master (domainbrokerage@yahoo.com)
4579944
Corcega, 382 3-1
Barcelona, 94044
ES


Technical Contact:

Host Master (domainbrokerage@yahoo.com)
4579944
Corcega, 382 3-1
Barcelona, 94044
ES


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
REGISTRY WHOIS

Whois Server Version 1.3

Server Name: GALLERIES.ORG
IP Address: 198.32.136.212
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com

Domain Name: GALLERIES.ORG
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: NS1.MYDOMAIN.COM
Name Server: NS2.MYDOMAIN.COM
Name Server: NS3.MYDOMAIN.COM
Name Server: NS4.MYDOMAIN.COM
Updated Date: 09-aug-2002

Last update of whois database: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:34:54 EDT

Note: this information can be 24 hours out of date.

Figure that one out! It appears to be a ridiculously late renewal ~ expired since 05-Oct-1999, and suddenly renewed and then sold!

 

[Zoobar]

I'd run this by NameInvestor.

 

[Syd]

I haven't been playing the 'drop game' for very long at all, & got into it only after one name ~ the .com version of my .co.uk site. The name in question actually expired in Feb 2001, and via Snap Alerts I have seen constant changes in Whois registration data, different registrant names, the name being removed from the root name servers & then added back to the name servers; repeatedly. Overall constant activity, I don't really know what I am looking at to tell you the truth ~ but it doesn't seem right. In my short exposure to the world of expiring domain, including the galleries.org example above ~ I've certainly come to the conclusion that were not playing on a level playing field!