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Now that the energy legislation as been pushed through the Senate it will demand huge increases in Ethanol use and much better fuel economy in vehicles. I'd like to know what you think is our best form of alternative fuel..solar? ethanol? hydrogen?
 

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hydrogen made from gas, would seem to be the best bet and coming next year. It gives 2X the milage, and makes the hydrogen from normal gas. This also uses whats already in place, and is a fairly good 1/2 step to all hydrogen.
 

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I would prefer Hydrogen as well, the only bi-product is water.
 

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Also I would keep in mind, ways that this geener techs, will save people money. This will be needed to drive the market, other wise people will just sit on the side lines. So names to that end, will be in demand as well I'm sure.
 

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I think its going to be a long road to get off of gasoline, at least 20-30 years.
 
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Hydrogen is definitely the best fuel when its separated by use of renewable energy such as solar. It is the ultimate fuel and it will be abundant some day but the biggest problem is the initial cost of implimenting the hydrogen industry. I think that problem will be overcome eventually as global warming takes its toll and people worldwide begin to realize there is no choice but to bite the bullet and pay the cost.
 

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Hydrogen is great, but many years down the road.

What is here now is a conversion kit for Diesel engines to run on used cooking oil and grease from those fast food restaurants that dot the country.

To prove this could be done, an individual from my location drove a Volkswagen Jetta from North Carolina to California and back on about $14.00 worth of fuel, mostly from the initial fill up.

This has led to an aspiring industry and one that has gained much attention throughout parts of the country. This self invented filtration system has been refined and is now becoming quite the fuel buster. In High Point, North Carolina, one business is backed up with the conversion of fleet vehicles. The process typically involves a filtration system and a secondary tank for the recyled grease and some modification to the engine. Typical costs are between $1500-$2500 per vehicle but for some fleets annual fuel saving are in the tens of thousands and even in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

A small fuel tank remains for actual diesel fuel. This starts the engine and warms up the grease. As we know the grease hardens and gels to a near solid state. But once warmed up and liquified, it is good to go.

For those that are not wanting to pull into the local McDonalds and the Drive Thru and say, "Fill er up", this particular facility also picks up the grease from local establishments, refines it and sells it at a fraction on the cost of regular diesel fuel.

You should do a search for this process, it may be the true bio-diesel, and is gaining steam and respect throughout the southeast. The bi-product is a cleaner burning fuel, great fuel efficiency, and your exhaust smells like french fries.

Beyond that, I am a fan of Diesel vehicles. Newer diesel motors are much more cleaner and fuel efficient. For auto manufacturers, Volkswagen leads the way with diesel options in the Golf, Jetta, Beetle, and the Passat.

I had a diesel New Beetle that I used as a commuter vehicle as I was drive 92 miles in between hospitals. This was an automatic. Highway miles was in the area of 42-44 mpg, city perhaps 33-35 mpg. A co-worker had a 5 speed Jetta diesel (all the diesel models are called TDI) that swore on occasion getting nearly 52 mpg on the highway.

Don't let the notion of a diesel lull you into thinking slow sluggish vehicles. All of these models are turbo charged. When I test drove the 5 speed Jetta diesel, I was flying from the start. I opted for the automatic Beetle (one of the most comfortable and quietest vehicle I have ever experienced) as my wife does not drive a 5 speed should she ever need it.

The addition of two more dogs in training for therapy necessitated a bigger vehicle. Yes, I miss the "Turbo Bug" (that was the personalized license plate)

Technology exists today for alternative fuels and it has for many years. But we have too many persons of power in each others pockets...the automakers, the oil companies, the refineries. Plus, that technology for Hydrogen and other products had been at the ready for years.

Until gas hits $100.00 a barrel and we start paying $10.00 a gallon, there will not be a wholesale concerted effort to push alternative fuels.

When I was in europe a couple of years ago the SmartCars were everywhere and so cool. Estimates were nearly 80 miles to a gallon. They will now be introduced to the US market but at only 70 dealerships nationwide. Pathetic. This is the perfect inter city, metropolis commuter vehicle that is not only so damn fuel efficient, two vehicles can park in one space. However, I would imagine by the time they undergo US specs for catalytic converters and what not that fuel efficiency will probably drop off by about 20% or better. They were exceptionally affordable in Europe with a 2 door, a 4 door, and even a convertible that was simply outrageous!

The point to these comparisons is that if you are concerned about fossil fuels, renewable resources, pollution, green house gases, and the whole pandora's box, until there is a unified effort and a cry that enough is enough, there is not much we, as individuals, can do. With the exception that if you need a great commuter vehicle and want to impact the amount of gas you burn as well as save in the wallet, then look at the alternatives that are out there. Even some of the gasoline models are great. Another co-worker just bought the Honda Civic coupe, very sporty styling and great looking car, that is rated at 30 city/40 highway.

Right now there just are not that many alternatives for us, the average consumer. But the fact is some alternative do exist and if that is a valid concern then by all means research and educate yourself.
 

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Elsbett has been doing single tank VO conversions for thirty years. GoldenFuelSystems, LoveCraftBioFuels, FryBrid, GreaseCarand a host of others have been doing successful conversion for a while now. VeggieStroke is my choice for my PowerStroke engine. However SAE Energy is probably the most forward thinking with Jonathan Goodwin at the helm. You should read what this guy is doing! Here's an article: http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/120/motorhead-messiah.html

This is a late post, I know. Just had to respond as it is a topic I've been researching lately. From which, I chose to purchase GreaseGoddess.com to use as a future blog for the conversion on the truck.
 
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Both hydrogen and grease fuels have been around for awhile but I think h2 will prove to be the alternative fuel of the future simply because it's the cleanest and most abundant. There are many problems to overcome before this happens but it will happen imho.
 

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For a short term fix, the largest deposits of methane gas in the world is right off the southeastern US coast...

That could be used while other technologies (corn oil, hydrogen etc..) could be perfected.

(That is, if you don't mind driving around in a fartmobile)
 

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ethanol will be taking over - i no from the first sources
 

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Did you sell it recently and how much did you get for it.....if you're allowed to tell?......thanks

I sold it several months back to a member here on the board and a personal friend of mine. Price was in the XX,XXX range.
 

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Either hot air generated in the appraisal threads or this. Mark my words, better invest now.
 

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My next car will be a hybrid. We will never fully get rid of gas.
 

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hydrogen made from gas, would seem to be the best bet and coming next year. It gives 2X the milage, and makes the hydrogen from normal gas. This also uses whats already in place, and is a fairly good 1/2 step to all hydrogen.

Would be nice if they could find a cost effective way to take it from sea water instead, good old H2O. I don't know much about the latest science on these things, but sea water sure is plentiful and easy to find.
 
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