Alert: Everydayincome.com - possible scam

[Bob]

They are after it again. Just got another spam.

Interestingly enough, the subject was for a domain name that a member here owns (and this member does not even know who EI is).

I vote scam artists.

-Bob

 

[gph]

I see that Phillip Moore was on that list. I got the old "I need appraisals" routine from him, on some domain names that I sent out as part of the free 150 names. I went ahead and used one of the shell sites you listed, and spent $180. This was before I'd even heard of DNForum.com.

God, how naive I must have been!! The appraisals came back with healthy 5 figure "values" for domains that, after learning about this stuff here, were really worth 5-10% of that, at best.

Only a couple of days ago, after getting their spam, I asked them to show me authentic testimonials from buyers and sellers relating to the ads. Julie Troitskaya [on your list] replied back to say that since the service had only been going for 3 months, they didn't have any......

After reading this thread, you can guess that my next step is to write to my credit card company and get the money back!! If I could pin down who these people really are, I'd sue them!!

gph

P.S. Add Anne Cox [[email protected]] to that list!!:

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[Sharpy]

Originally posted by gph
P.S. Add Anne Cox [[email protected]] to that list!!:

Isn't she the one with the husband who's always on vacation, but she's thinks he'll be interested in your names. As soon as he gets back he will contact you? lol

Just reverse any/all charges with your cc company, they can't do anything, unless you signed a faxback to them.

Cheers

 

[URLtrader]

Yes. Her husband is always on vacation (without her...)
Lucky guy for sure.

Originally posted by sharpboy


Isn't she the one with the husband who's always on vacation, but she's thinks he'll be interested in your names. As soon as he gets back he will contact you? lol

Just reverse any/all charges with your cc company, they can't do anything, unless you signed a faxback to them.

Cheers

 

[britishangel]

sorry to open this up again but i tried to get a refund and:

"Hello,

You wrote:
"You have been quoted on saying that if your customers are not satisfied with your services you will refund their payments to you"
We never make such statements.

We never promised you a refund. Moreover we have your order on file. You have agreed with our user agreement in which we satetd that we did not provide refunds for our service.
http://everydayincome.com/useragreement.htm

"Fees: EverydayIncome.com does not provide refund for its software and paid services by any reason. These will be binding on the date that they become effective, similar to any other revision that is made to this agreement. "

We cannot guarantee any sales or leads and provide an advertising service only.

But we can cancel your access to domains wanted ads area and don't renew it for the next month. But you can use it until your subscription period is expired. If you receive a new request of appraisal please resend this letter to us with email address of the buyer. It will help us to clean up our list.

If you need to know how our company works you can ask people who used escrow service of Eleview International recently.
It will give you a better sense.
Brian Allen [email protected] (buyer) , Warren Reid [email protected] (seller)

Have you got any luck with Afternic, GreatDomains , eBay or other services for domain sellers ? Please email me th list of domains you sold through their services. If you don't receive any bids there it means that domain buyers are not very interested in your domain names at this moment. And never order any appraisals without buyer's verification.

We want to save you as a customer and offer you the following:

You can list any 5 (five) domain in our premium showcase FOR FREE. Usually it costs ($15 for standard listing + $25 for premium listing) * 5 but you can get this service for free. Our lising period is not limited. If domain buyers are not interested in your names at this moment , it does not mean nobody will be interested in 2-3 months. Just send me any five domains the next week.

Moreover, we can offer you a new tool for finding misspelled domains Traffic Finder Lite for FREE. You can get more information at
http://www.softforces.com/tfinder.htm
This utility may help you to earn money on misspelled domain names. You can get the LITE version for free.

That's all we can do for you. We are interested in working with you in the future. I'm sure we'll help you to earn money on domain names.
I wish you good luck!

Sincerely,

Julie Troitskaya

Customer Support"


What the hell do i do now?

 

[gph]

I would reverse your credit card charges, and at least insinuate in the letter you send, that Eleview is doing business in bad faith, since they are not upfront about their different services actually being a scam.

I FINALLY sent my letter off last week. Will let you guys know what happens.

gph

 

[hhunterjr]

The more that I read - I am thinking that Everyday income is a scam. Or they are just highly desperate for business. The parent company is Eleview International and Eleviewcurrently has a successful rating with the Better business Bureau. Perhaps some one should file some complaints with the BBB if you're not satisfied with Everydayincome.com and/or Eleview.

Whether or not Everyday income is a scam - here's some tax advice that may help some one who has already used their direct email service and was dissatisfied.

At least in the U.S. - advertising for your business is definitely tax deductable. You must be operating a business though. This could be done simply by putting up your website for selling your own names. Then you could forward all of the domains that you own to that one central website and conduct sales through that site (using escrow.com, of course).


So - If you used the Everyday Income direct email campaign - just make sure that you keep the cancelled check or keep the credit charges. You'll be able to use this on your tax returns either for this year or for next year - as business "advertising expenses" and receive a deduction for this

Also any appraisals done for the domains in your business should be tax deductable. I know this because I just got my taxes done and the appraisals that I have gotten were tax deductable.

Take care,

 

[britishangel]

OK so eleview...everydayincome sent out a mass e-mailing slandering me and my company because i threatened a charge back...so they're now in for slander GREAT A LAW SUIT FOR ME TO DO lol ANYWAY I need EVERYONE that has any info or e-mails from them to please forward them to me at [email protected] This issue is being taken seriously. I had not even made the issue public that i did not care for their company, or why but they have now taken it a step too far. I need all e-mails forwarded to me please with headers intact Thankyou guys you're all the best! Love Angel

 

[Togoodhlth]

Quick question.
Has anyone sold and closed a deal by responding to a "Domains Wanted" ad at their site?

Looks like lot of people have a TON of money to spend!

 

[hhunterjr]

I am an attorney - but I am not affiliated with Eleview, or EverydayIncome.com - I just wanted to make that clear!!!

I've used their services though before. I knew that the direct email campaign was a "crap shoot" even if everything was legitimate. Trying to get people to buy domains during a recession is pretty difficult, so I only expected maybe one sale out of it. (I did not get any sales off of their direct email campaign, but I was able to write it off on my taxes as "business advertising" as I stated in a previous post here).

I also got appraisals from Allfordomains.com and I thought that the appraisals were pretty helpful. They may not have been totally accurate, but it was certainly helpful to me in deciding not to sell a very good name like supplies.us for only $500.

(Someone had offered me $500.00 for supplies.us and continually tried to convince me that that's all it was worth. The appraiser at allfordomains appraised supplies.us at $8500. Although the numerical value of the appraisal may not be correct, the appraisal definitely told me not to sell supplies.us for a measley $500.00)

Again I am not affiliated with Allfordomains, Eleview, or Everyday income. I don't advocate anyone using their services now - since there have been so many scam stories about these services.

If you think that you've been scammed, please report it to the Better Business Bureau and let the bad comments get posted on Eleview's BBB rating.

As I stated above - the money that anyone spent on the email campaign from Everyday Income and even on appraisals should be tax deductable if you have your own business selling domains.

I know this because I just got my taxes done - the direct email campaign and the appraisals were all tax deductable.

take care,

http://www.domainterritory.com
[email protected]

 

[oberheimer]

i almost sold goum.com for $2000-4000. He was interestead and was a ceo off a hedge fund, but he changed his mind. damit

the 150 e-mails does really work. Can you use the free trail more than once?
They say that you only can send the e-mails one time, but if I use a different e-mail and change the owner off my domain

 

[Sharpy]

Originally posted by oberheimer
i almost sold goum.com for $2000-4000. He was interestead and was a ceo off a hedge fund, but he changed his mind. damit

the 150 e-mails does really work. Can you use the free trail more than once?
They say that you only can send the e-mails one time, but if I use a different e-mail and change the owner off my domain

WOW , Lewis & Moore Hedge Funds must be doing really well.

oberheimer, one of the following statements is true:

1. You are a few days late for April fools.

2. Even after what you've read in this thread you are extremely gullible.

3. "oberheimer' is latest nic being used by an agent for EI et al.

I seriously doubt #3 is true, however if #1 or #2 are not true, please explain.

 

[oberheimer]

i had to replies one changed his mind and he was going to resell it. He told me he had 5 buyers that might be interestead in buying and that he would get 20% of the final sale price.
It could have been a scam, but it did´nt sound like it.
Can you use the free trail more than once?
They say that you only can send the e-mails one time, but if I use a different e-mail and change the owner off my domain

 

[gph]

Wake up and smell the coffee!! These guys are scam artists, plain and simple. I got the same bullsh*t from them as you did.

gph

 

[oberheimer]

ok that might be a scam

 

[Bramiozo]

Have you got any luck with Afternic, GreatDomains , eBay or other services for domain sellers ? Please email me th list of domains you sold through their services. If you don't receive any bids there it means that domain buyers are not very interested in your domain names at this moment. And never order any appraisals without buyer's verification.

We want to save you as a customer and offer you the following:

You can list any 5 (five) domain in our premium showcase FOR FREE. Usually it costs ($15 for standard listing + $25 for premium listing) * 5 but you can get this service for free. Our lising period is not limited. If domain buyers are not interested in your names at this moment , it does not mean nobody will be interested in 2-3 months. Just send me any five domains the next week.

That is exactly the same as the message she sent me in response to a complaint, I complained and she turn threatened to sue me for slander, she actually wrote that she already notified her lawyer and in the end she wrote the exact same message a above. Furthermore, one of the paragraphs used in her letter was exactly the same as a paragraph used in a letter from the sales director (whatever) from allfordomains.

I spent over $460 on everydayincome and I am trying to take it all back.
I sent my ad to over 20,000 people, I got over 15 interested people, nóne went ahead, none of those people are responding to current message.

In my opinion they lure people into paying for the ad-service through a set of standard messages for the free-ad service, coming from one and the same mailserver, no one goes ahead with the sale but the client thinks it's for real and considers simple math to eventually come to the conclusion that sending the same message to over 12,000 people will give 12,000 / 100 (or 150) times as much feedback....forget it.
Some of the mail adresses are invalid already.

 

[britishangel]

I went through the same Lawyer deal with her it's all crap just generic letters

 

[Sharpy]

Just tell them you are advising your CC company to charge back all of the charges. They will refund your money. Unless you signed a faxback to them

 

[Bramiozo]

In order to go ahead with the 12,000 or 20,000 ad, you have to send a signed fax...so I did , not realizing off course that it would ruin my cc options. I am going ahead anyway, some forms from the cc are already sent, I just have to reply with some evidence.

 

[Sharpy]

That's too bad.:cry: You can pretty much be sure that any company that requires a signed fax before doing business with you, is not worried about your credibility, but about their own. Charge backs are not uncommon to them.