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[RacerX]

Originally posted by RMF
I'm not sure what happened with virus.com. I didn't follow it. Im fairly sure it use to be owned by someone in Victoria BC, but now someone in Penticton BC owns it. This guy might have bought it when the old virus.com shutdown. One thing I do know is that this guy that has virus.com now, has a lot of great names.

RMF

You are the wrong train pal. The guy in Canada picked it up on the drop years ago. He still owns it, of course. The previous owner, who was the one that let it drop, was in the UK.

 

[RacerX]

Originally posted by woohoo
Anyone ever wonder why

RacerX seems obsessed with this subject in an almost unhealthy and scary way?

When you are in a department store, and you witness someone stealing the store blind, you have a responsibility to report it. Get a clue.

 

[elequa]

If you guys think only nsi is doing this heh register.com is the same. Lets take for example
bursts.com was in the unpaid department for a long time. I had a snap on it. Then all of a sudden it was a new owner at register.com w/new creation date

 

[mole]

Bludy no ethics in this business.

 

[TurNIC.com]

NetSol is absolutely doing a fradaulant business. Here is my story. I had been following RUV.com quite a while. The name was DROPPED by NSI around April 2002. I had a bid on namewinner. I got the domain and paid for it. Then 3 days later name started to route on ex-owner's page. Then Dotster transferred the domain to ex-owner without my consent. They said the name actually did not frop and grabbed but transferred from netsol. The whois info showed itlamerica for a 2 weeks and now look at whois info: it shows netsol as a registerer and creation date 07 november 2002. The story is that if you pay nsi what they want you can even get your already dropped name back

 

[Shiftlock]

Originally posted by SirAlexFerguson
The story is that if you pay nsi what they want you can even get your already dropped name back

This may be true, but I grabbed a name earlier this year after a drop, and I was contacted the next morning by a representative from NSI. They wanted to buy the name from me. The previous owner of the domain was IBM. NSI paid me over $3000 for it the same day. I learned afterward that the rep at NSI who I was negotiating with is somewhat well known as their "anti-cybersquatting specialist." It was an interesting situation. If anyone wants more information, PM me.

 

[Cartoonz]

Originally posted by thinkaholic
Reading all this just increases the size of my middle finger I have pointing at NetSol.

I'll never reg a name from them and never support them. I won't even get an SSL Cert from Verisign. I'll go with Thawte any day...

Too bad that VeriSlime owns Thawte too!!

 

[GeorgeK]

Buy a Geotrust.com cert, instead, to hurt Verisign.

 

[Nic]

The Root of the Problem lies deeper than you think....
Its the unorganized, inefficient, "under-the-table" governing body that lets verisign get away with so much.
If ICANN ever gets restructured, and the weeds and bacteria disapear from the body...then my friends its a whole different ball game.....

 

[RacerX]

typical example of a NSI 'null' domain name is qv.com.

Someone at NSI is fraudulently changing these records...

 

[hiOsilver]

I'll never reg a name from them and never support them. I won't even get an SSL Cert from Verisign. I'll go with Thawte any day.

Sorry, but Thawte is owned by Verisign. You can easily confim that by checking out www.thawte.com

 

[flatt]

I have pondered the 'null' thing a bit more and perhaps reporting the names would 'fix' this problem. Being that the whois is now obviously invalid, they are required to get the record fixed (which probably won't happen), drop the name (ideally), or risk bigger problems. You may recall a couple months back when ICANN was threatening to remove their registration rights because of fraudulent whois records. Now whether or not this is an inside job or just some "l337 h4X0r" is beside the point; they can't keep names with bad whois. So I say we use this against them. A kick in Verisign's rear is exactly what they need to get these names back in the pool where they belong.

Otherwise, I think the idea would be to get snaps on these names. If whoever is doing this is waiting for the WLS, having a snap on a name will give you a much better chance of getting a WLS subscription as snapnames will transfer them over, if I recall. Consider it anyhow.

Any thoughts?

 

[uncle]

well, another good name has just followed the same pattern..

I'm really curious as to what our dnforum lawyers have to say about this. it's not trademark related but it's still legal matters..

 

[RMF]

So does this mean if "null" has been inserted into the whois for a domain, we can expect that domain to be stolen?

RMF

 

[play]

Even though the name may have a snap, NW, and be on the radar of the drop pros..
Verisign rerouts it.

Drops it

But somehow same verisign through srsplus grabs it

Then they maintain a blank whois on the database, no null no nothing for 2 exact months.

After which a new registrar is involved after the transfer of 60 days and only then the whois info shows up.

But by that time nobody notices verisign inside job perfectly covering their tracks.


Down with WLS.

 

[RacerX]

Originally posted by RMF
So does this mean if "null" has been inserted into the whois for a domain, we can expect that domain to be stolen?

RMF

Possibly. There are some very nefarious things going on with the high profile names at NSI. Complain to NSI, as potentially futile as that may sound. Also make sure to file a complaint via this address: http://www.internic.net/cgi/rpt_whois/rpt.cgi


Good luck...

 

[RacerX]

Originally posted by uncle
well, another good name has just followed the same pattern..

I'm really curious as to what our dnforum lawyers have to say about this. it's not trademark related but it's still legal matters..

John Berryhill, Howard Neu, Ari Goldberger, care to take on this investigation and get involved here???

 

[RacerX]

Originally posted by fizz
Racer, do you reckon it's one or two individuals inside NSI doing this without their bosses knowing?

Yes.

 

[nomad]

My theory has always been that it's not something intentionally done by Stratton Sclavos, but the brother-in-law of someone who works in the registry and controls the actual process that begins the name drops and deletions. This is not done by doing a drop and having the guy pick the name up, because that would open it up to professionals, but rather through some untraceable contact info change as was suggested above. I'd bet the top 1000 or so names in the zone in terms of value get moved around in this way. And there is nobody to report because they wouldn't leave traces and Verisign is not breaking any ICANN rules by permitting name changes and that sort of thing. Without the help of the initial registrant, who is too much asleep anyway or this kind of thing wouldn't take place, you can't track this or prove anything.

Solution? Learn unix admin skills and get a job at verisign-grs...potentially as a volunteer since they may not be able to afford you just now...

 

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