bakhtaran is a Scammer on DNForum - Stole Five 3-character.coms and $2550 from me

[kwok]

Be careful with bakhtaran. I transferred my 5 names to him (eNom ID eliv3n) after I received his PayPal payment. In fact, he paid with a stolen credit card, and paypal has reversed the payment. Now I lost $2550 and the five 3-character names. I tried to contact him and he has blocked my PM. Here are the names that I transferred to him at eNom:
7MY.com
4Ls.com
v4y.com
b4q.com
u4y.com

Two other users here on DNforum were also scammed by this guy. Be very careful with bakhtaran!

I tried to call eNom and they said they cannot do a thing about it and here is the email I got from them:

We have limited involvement if any in 3rd party transactions. In this case you’ve have to refer all inquiries to [email protected] and most likely have to pursue action through the courts system. We are not in a position to mediate these situations or judge them.

Mike, Risk Management

http://www.enom.com

An ICANN Accredited Registrar

Can anyone help?? Legal fees are so expensive this day and I don't know if it is worth the money to pursue for the names.

 

[Bender]

enom cannot help you much: how would they verify if the payment was actually done, or if the chargeback occured?
they shouldn't interfere.
consider reporting this to FBI's cyber crime division.

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

Sorry to hear this bro, I know its tuff when the costs outweigh the value. I think most scammers do this on purpose.

I guess besides starting a legal proceeding you may be SOL.

 

[Biggie]

not to dismiss your loses but, you should have known something was fishy when he decided to buy those names at that price.

in the future, be cautious of new members coming here throwing money around.

also, if your names are at enom, i can give you advice for the future, if this happens again.

sorry

 

[A D]

Contact the registrar right away and let them know what happened.

-=DCG=-

 

[kwok]

I contacted eNom and the eNom legal department said they cannot do anything about it. This is the email I received from eNom a few minutes ago:
===================================
Unfortunately, you voluntarily pushed the domain names to the user's account, thus giving them control over the names. eNom is not in position to make any judgment in any third party transactions. I would suggest seeking legal advice on the matter.
Regards,
eNom, Inc.
===================================

Two other DNF users have been scammed by the same person, and I wish someone here knows people at eNom who can help me to get my domains back. I also received an email from another victim on DNF, showing the scammers have already stolen many domains using the same method.

Will anyone help?

Contact the registrar right away and let them know what happened.

-=DCG=-

 

[Ubiquitous]

Sorry to hear about your troubles kwok - maybe DCG can provide the i.p. address or something that might help you track down the scumbag. It could have been worse though considering the value of some of your other domain names. I would definitely reconsider doing business with Enom if that is how they deal with fraudulent transactions...

 

[Bender]

I would definitely reconsider doing business with Enom if that is how they deal with fraudulent transactions...

how can you blame eNom for this?
the money took part outside their system - they don't have any records of money exchanging hands or not, let aside chargebacks!
eNom is not an escrow service, nor police, nor FBI-it's a registrar.


Paypal needs to re-think the process.
I mean, just reversing the transaction has these results:
-the scammer gets the goods
-the (stolen) credit card owner gets the money back eventually
-the seller gets nothing
basically they DONT protect the seller!

 

[Ubiquitous]

how can you blame eNom for this?
the money took part outside their system - they don't have any records of money exchanging hands or not, let aside chargebacks!
eNom is not an escrow service, nor police, nor FBI-it's a registrar.


Paypal needs to re-think the process.
I mean, just reversing the transaction has these results:
-the scammer gets the goods
-the (stolen) credit card owner gets the money back eventually
-the seller gets nothing
basically they DONT protect the seller!

Wouldn't the paypal transaction be enough for Enom to see that it was fraud if there is a tie to the transaction? I totally see your point, it just seems like they aren't too helpful.

 

[Johnn]

http://www.********.com/domains-for-sale-make-offer/236910-help-me-to-sell-my-domains.html

Replace the * with name pros

 

[Dave Zan]

Wouldn't the paypal transaction be enough for Enom to see that it was fraud if there is a tie to the transaction? I totally see your point, it just seems like they aren't too helpful.

Registrars deal with this every other day. Any research and investigative work
towards potential legal issues require time, money, and effort.

And if they made a mistake somewhere, it can potentially take even more TME
to possibly rectify it...if it can be rectified at all.

Besides, civil disputes (which is what this is) happen every day. That's what
Courts and mediation panels are for.

 

[Raider]

This is a prime example of why you DON'T accept a credit payment for non tangible items, even a ACH transaction, BOTH can be reversed, or lets use the common phrase "Chargeback" I was explaining this in another post of why Enom is so particular when it comes to Credit card payments, since most of the business they do is Non Cancelable, they must capture a signature in the event of a chargeback.

If you sell a domain name on your own, the only form of payment you should be accepting is Cashiers check, Wire Transfer or Payment through Escrow.com, Since most buyers prefer to use credit card, Escrow.com accepts credit card payments and fully protects the seller in the event of a chargeback. I have used Escrow.com for 98% of all the domains I have sold, I set it so the Buyer pays 100% of the escrow fee, once the transaction is completed, Escrow.com issues me a check by mail, no commission taken out, If I sell a domain for $5000.00, I receive a $5000.00 check.

I'm sorry this happened to you, consider it a valuable lesson. I'm pretty certain you can get these domains back through the WIPO, you can visit there web site at: http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/index.html

Good Luck!..........Eva

 

[Raider]

how can you blame eNom for this?
the money took part outside their system - they don't have any records of money exchanging hands or not, let aside chargebacks!
eNom is not an escrow service, nor police, nor FBI-it's a registrar.


Paypal needs to re-think the process.
I mean, just reversing the transaction has these results:
-the scammer gets the goods
-the (stolen) credit card owner gets the money back eventually
-the seller gets nothing
basically they DONT protect the seller!

Your correct about Enom, As for Paypal, they thought out the process very well, chargebacks are there biggest problem and theirs NOTHING they can do about it, accept to protect themselves as best they can, that's why they want your bank information and why they verify it. When KWOK received the money in his Paypal account, and it was not withdrawn, Paypal simply withdrew it when they received the chargeback, if this is the case, KWOK has no recourse.

If KWOK did withdraw it, Paypal did a ACH transfer from KWOK's bank account, if this happened, KWOK can actually do a Chargeback on that ACH against PAYPAL! as an unauthorized charge, and Paypal would either eat it or dispute it, and they would most likely terminate KWOK's Paypal account. Paypal eats chargebacks everyday, unfortunately were the ones paying for it.

 

[VirtualT]

I was under the impression that paypal could not draw funds from your bank account on file after a dispute

 

[Raider]

I was under the impression that paypal could not draw funds from your bank account on file after a dispute

They certainly can, and mostly like did in this case, especially when a card is reported lost or stolen, they act very quickly.

 

[Validweb]

I've sold but never bought a domain via escrow.com, and I'd be very careful, based on my expeience in selling, if I were to use them for buying.

I've been paid by escrow.com even though the domains i've sold are still in my account at the registrar in question. All that I had to do was change whois to the name of the buyer. If I was unscrupulous I could just get the check or wire from escrow.com and then change the whois again.

I've actually got a domain in my enom account at the moment which I've been paid for. I told the buyer to create an enom account and i'd then push, but he hasn't done so yet.

I find escrow.com to be very slow, and their site confusing. Several times there site has given me the instructions 'nothing for you to do at this time' when in fact I had to do something to push things along.

 

[Johnn]

This is not a credit card stolen case. He hacked into other people Paypal's account and use funds from the accounts to make the purchase.

 

[Bill Roy]

I use Escrow.com for all my transactions (both buying and selling) and have had no problem at all. As for time I find them very quick indeed compared to what I hear about other escrow services from large aftermarket companies.

 

[Ian]

I use Escrow.com for all my transactions (both buying and selling) and have had no problem at all. As for time I find them very quick indeed compared to what I hear about other escrow services from large aftermarket companies.

Agreed. For any transaction involving $1k+ Escrew is highly recommended-dont take a word of mouth just from anyone that you have met here on this forum! I know this might sound distrustful but we are living in a real world full of scammers!

 

[Honan]

Can we get back to the subject rather than discuss the pros and cons of using escrow.com

Can anybody help Kwok get enom to put these stolen names in a disputed names folio?
Is there anything else Kwok can do?
Maybe the current whois on these stolen names is fake
Will enom do anything about fake whois?