bakhtaran is a Scammer on DNForum - Stole Five 3-character.coms and $2550 from me

[Raider]

This is not a credit card stolen case. He hacked into other people Paypal's account and use funds from the accounts to make the purchase.

KWOK stated at the beginning of this thread that it was a stolen card that was used, if the paypal account was hacked into to make the purchase, it is still considered a stolen credit card....I would be interested where Paypal withdrew KWOKS funds from, Paypal or bank account?

 

[Johnn]

Can we get back to the subject rather than discuss the pros and cons of using escrow.com

Can anybody help Kwok get enom to put these stolen names in a disputed names folio?
Is there anything else Kwok can do?
Maybe the current whois on these stolen names is fake
Will enom do anything about fake whois?

BINGO.

Nothing you can do as far as the Registrars or Paypal. Go throuh WIPO would be costly. There are two options.
File complaint yourself with ICANN:
http://www.icann.org/udrp/udrp.htm

Or File with FBI Internet Crime Unit.
http://www.ic3.gov/

 

[Johnn]

KWOK stated at the beginning of this thread that it was a stolen card that was used, if the paypal account was hacked into to make the purchase, it is still considered a stolen credit card....I would be interested where Paypal withdrew KWOKS funds from, Paypal or bank account?

He hacked into several Paypal accounts the funds could come from either bank account or credit card - Nothing is wrong with the paypal account -its legetimate.
There are two victims here - The Domain Seller and the Paypal account holder.

It's not too difficult to hack into Paypal account.

 

[Raider]

I've sold but never bought a domain via escrow.com, and I'd be very careful, based on my expeience in selling, if I were to use them for buying.

I've been paid by escrow.com even though the domains i've sold are still in my account at the registrar in question. All that I had to do was change whois to the name of the buyer. If I was unscrupulous I could just get the check or wire from escrow.com and then change the whois again.

I've actually got a domain in my enom account at the moment which I've been paid for. I told the buyer to create an enom account and i'd then push, but he hasn't done so yet.

I find escrow.com to be very slow, and their site confusing. Several times there site has given me the instructions 'nothing for you to do at this time' when in fact I had to do something to push things along.

The buyer is given a period to inspect the domain, change the password and approve the transaction as instructed. If the buyer fails to approve the transaction, there is a 10 or 14 day waiting period until escrow will release the funds. If you still have access to the domain name, it's nobody's fault but the buyers for not following through.

 

[Johnn]

Back to the case.

 

[Raider]

He hacked into several Paypal accounts the funds could come from either bank account or credit card - Nothing is wrong with the paypal account -its legetimate.
There are two victims here - The Domain Seller and the Paypal account holder.

It's not too difficult to hack into Paypal account.

The Paypal account holder is protected, whether the hacker drew on his/hers credit card or bank account. If he/she had available funds in there Paypal account, the account holder is at the mercy of Paypal.

 

[Raider]

Can we get back to the subject rather than discuss the pros and cons of using escrow.com

Are you the Forum Police?

Can anybody help Kwok get enom to put these stolen names in a disputed names folio?

Good idea, much like Network Solutions where they freeze it. Call Enom and ask.

Is there anything else Kwok can do?

Uphill battle to get the domains back, better chance of getting the money if he can provide more details about the transaction, too many unanswered questions here.

Maybe the current whois on these stolen names is fake
Will enom do anything about fake whois?

ICANN will, but it's a lost cause, way to many loopholes.

 

[Johnn]

Contact the registrar right away and let them know what happened.

-=DCG=-

Adam,

He paid for his exclusive membership. It would help if you can PM us his account and payment info so we can forward them to Paypal?

 

[kwok]

This is not a credit card stolen case. He hacked into other people Paypal's account and use funds from the accounts to make the purchase.

That's correct. He hacked for Paypal login information, paid for the domain names using the stolen account, and Paypal reversed the transaction and put the money back to the account holder. Paypal protects the buyers but not the sellers.

I filed for a police report about the stolen domains, and the police asked for the IP address and MAC address of the scammer. We are waiting for = DCG = to release the information and we will track the scammer down.

If you see any of the five stolen domains for sale here through other means, please contact me and the site administrator immediately. Here are the 5 names:
7My.com
4Ls.com
v4y.com
u4y.com
b4q.com

We need to catch this scammer because, from the proof that I received, he has already admitted to hack websites and steal domains from many users using the same scheme. We must take him down before he will harm another person.

I am very frustrated after being scammed, but I want to spend a minute to thank for all your support and concerns at my difficult moments. :grouphug:

 

[DNWizardX9]

I doubt Adam will release any info without a subpoena.

 

[Raider]

That's correct. He hacked for Paypal login information, paid for the domain names using the stolen account, and Paypal reversed the transaction and put the money back to the account holder. Paypal protects the buyers but not the sellers

Key question, When Paypal reversed the transaction, did they take the Money from your Paypal account or withdraw it from your Bank account?

Paypal is a 3rd party in the transaction, and they have no choice but to side with the Card holder, remember it is Mastercard/Visa or Amex reversing the charge, so its up to you to prove that the card holder recieved the goods, not Paypal, this is why Paypal requires the seller to ship to a confirmed address, in this case there are no goods, which is why you never accept credit card for a non tangible item like a Domain name....But now you know.

 

[Raider]

BINGO.

Nothing you can do as far as the Registrars or Paypal. Go throuh WIPO would be costly.

John, What do you estimate the cost would be to dispute it through the WIPO? With the paper trail left behind, KWOK's claim would'nt be difficult to prove, and I strongly doubt the theif would respond to the claim or appear for the hearing, so he would win by default, I think that's how it would work.

 

[maroulis]

John, What do you estimate the cost would be to dispute it through the WIPO? With the paper trail left behind, KWOK's claim would'nt be difficult to prove, and I strongly doubt the theif would respond to the claim or appear for the hearing, so he would win by default, I think that's how it would work.

at least $3K for WIPO even if he doesn't show up.... UDRP would be better (cheaper) but more lengthy IMHO

still unreal to see scammers coming and going and trashing DNForum and domainer worlds...

DCG should make IP available immediately....

 

[Johnn]

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[Tia Wood]

The thing about these types of pay sites is this:

When a user files a charge back with a credit card company, the pay site is required by law to honor that chargeback.

That's why real merchant accounts are ever so useful.

That's why you get sucky scenarios like this.

 

[kwok]

The thing about these types of pay sites is this:

When a user files a charge back with a credit card company, the pay site is required by law to honor that chargeback.

That's why real merchant accounts are ever so useful.

That's why you get sucky scenarios like this.

I wonder what would happen if I had withdrawn the money out before the user filed the charge back?

 

[Andrew Shaw]

They would have tapped into your bank account and retreaved the funds. If you didnt have sufficiant funds their, paypal would tell the other party that. Paypal will still send you a bill untill its paid off. Once you pay that off, paypal would contact the other party and return the funds.

 

[DNjet]

I wonder what would happen if I had withdrawn the money out before the user filed the charge back?

They would have tapped your checking and/credit card for it, if it wasn't there then they would keep trying to retrieve it and have frozen your paypal in the meantime.

 

[kwok]

at least $3K for WIPO even if he doesn't show up.... UDRP would be better (cheaper) but more lengthy IMHO

still unreal to see scammers coming and going and trashing DNForum and domainer worlds...

DCG should make IP available immediately....

Great points...scammers are betting that no one is going to catch them since the cost to pursue outweighs the price of the names.

These scammers just come and go with new user names after being banned...very difficult to control.

The local police requested for the IP address and MAC id from -=DCG=- last night. DCG got the police's phone number and email address, so he should give that out soon required by law.

 

[Bender]

"MAC id"?
I don't think DCG can give that.