Beware of NAMEDRIVE - ND rep killed a private sale with his BS

[NameDriver]

Wow, and I thought my post was detailed. This post is getting ugly. I can only speak to the following:

direct quote from the seller’s email: “Ash seems to be sitting on a nice package of premium .infos, so if you are interested in that, I can get you in touch...”

I told the seller that we were brokering a large portfolio of .info domains. I also told this to you in a subsequent email. And again in a post.

I reply that I know pretty much all of the premium .info domain owners, and never heard of Ash, and there is no “Ash” listed in the whois of any premium domains. I also know most of the brokers in the .info world, and never heard of Namedrive in connection with any large .info sales.

I don't own any .info's, and most domain sales are not made public.

and he did not respond to my questions about WHAT premium .info’s he owns, or even has brokered

You never asked me this.

remember Ash says this same person “recently purchased several .infos” from him

That I never said.

Our commission fee is 10% of the final sales price” , yet Ash says there was no commission on the sale

This customer did not order our brokerage service. And we do not "bait and switch" and charge commission.

I really don't have answer to the other points. Mostly because I just got involved in this process towards the end, and just brokered the deal, nothing else. The domain was sold though, I can assure you of that!

Ash

 

[JuniperPark]

That I never said.

Yes, you did. See post #16 of this thread from "Namedriver"! Are you now going to try to change your story within the same thread?

This customer did not order our brokerage service. And we do not "bait and switch" and charge commission.

REALLY! The seller says you brokered it, your own earlier email says you brokered it, and here is a direct quote from another private email you sent me just a few MINUTES ago:

"We just broker the deal."

You're flip flopping like a politician here, Ash!

 

[NameDriver]

Juniper,

Now you are arguing semantics:

4. I also mention to the seller that I can pass the domain along to someone I know who recently purchased several .info's to see what kind of offer they might make.
...
7. Several days later, we connect the seller to a new buyer, who offered approximately 8 times as much as Juniper Park did for the domain.

The point I was making here was that I never said the person in #4 was the person in #7. No change in the story by my count.


Also, we DID broker the deal. The customer DID NOT order our brokerage service. We do not charge customers who do not order our brokerage service. We also would not charge a customer commission in a circumstance like this, where they have an offer on their domain, and we help find them a better one. That would be bait and switch, right? And that is what we don't do.

Ash

 

[JuniperPark]

So now we have yet a new twist to the story -- the person you "know" (from your point #4) (we'll call this buyer#1) failed to make an offer (which contradicts other statements you made, BTW)...

... then suddenly along comes buyer #2, who out-negociates everyone, because you're 'brokering' the domain... and then this record making sale occurs between two people/companies with very questionable whois details.

Big problem with your story here Ash -- I was never asked to make another offer, so you have NO IDEA what my offer would have been, which either means you're the worst broker in the domain world OR something is going on here other than a domain sale. There also was no mention of a sale on any forum, and as far as I can tell, none of the usual .info buyers notified or contacted -- this was a strictly under the table transaction.

I guess that's how you get the best price on a domain sale -- keep it secret, and don't tell the other buyers. Right Ash?

So Ash, you're working for Namedrive and brokering sales for free -- that's interesting, since Namedrive seems to have a similar commission setup as Sedo. How many domain sales did you broker for FREE at Sedo??

So what we have here is a stolen domain name that changed hands between 2 shadow entities via Namedrive, with no money changing hands for commission, no negociation between interested parties, and now a changing story on how it all happened.

Gee, no, nothing suspicious here.

 

[Rockefeller]

If the seller contacted NameDrive and asked them if the offer was decent then she opened up the door for discussion, just the same as if JuniperPark received an offer on Solar.info and PM'ed me and asked if the offer was okay. If I then referred him to my friend who would pay a lot more, this would be okay with everyone. If the seller did not contact NameDrive, and NameDrive contacted her first, then that is wrong, otherwise, business is business.

 

[NameDriver]

Geez,

I really hate when posts get like this. All animosity. Juniper, why would we go to such lengths, by your calculations, solely just to piss you off?

So now we have yet a new twist to the story -- the person you "know" (from your point #4) (we'll call this buyer#1) failed to make an offer (which contradicts other statements you made, BTW)...

There is no new twist to the story, I was just pointing out a complete assumption that you made.


And why were you not asked to make another offer? I'm not into pasting private emails, so I'll paraphrase your email back then to me:
-You are a liar
-I will never do business with NameDrive

And what would have happened had I sent a counteroffer for you to top? It would probably include a response from you including the words suspicious, liar, maybe even shadow entity.

And, NameDrive does not have a similar commission structure to Sedo. Believe me, I should know.

PS, Thanks Rockefeller

Ash

 

[JuniperPark]

And why were you not asked to make another offer? I'm not into pasting private emails, so I'll paraphrase your email back then to me:
-You are a liar
-I will never do business with NameDrive

Yep -- those were in emails to you AFTER the "sale" you brokerd. So Ash, did you have a time machine and you went into the future to read emails not yet written? Or are you just trying to sew up another hole in your story?

And what would have happened had I sent a counteroffer for you to top? It would probably include a response from you including the words suspicious, liar, maybe even shadow entity.

Your job as a broker is to find out who the interested buyers are and get the best price for your customer. You job IS NOT to worry that you may get a response you don't like.

And, NameDrive does not have a similar commission structure to Sedo. Believe me, I should know.

Then you need to change the Namedrive web site to remove that part about 10% commissions!

 

[NameDriver]

This is my last post, I swear . I hope this is making for high drama for everyone else:

Juniper, you are mistaken. Please check your emails again. The email in question is the very first email you sent to me. I had explained that the seller contacted us asking for advice on an offer received. I also mentioned that I had brokered several .info sales, so I have an idea of valuation, and that someone recently asked us to broker a portfolio of .info domains and if Juniper would like I could send him a list to see.

Your response was that I lied about brokering domain sales in general, I don't own any .info domains, I have little to no experience, and that you will never do business with Namedrive. So one might understand why I did not follow up with an email trying to keep you in the bidding process: it would have fallen on deaf ears.

Ash

 

[JuniperPark]

This is my last post, I swear . I hope this is making for high drama for everyone else:

Juniper, you are mistaken. Please check your emails again. The email in question is the very first email you sent to me. I had explained that the seller contacted us asking for advice on an offer received. I also mentioned that I had brokered several .info sales, so I have an idea of valuation, and that someone recently asked us to broker a portfolio of .info domains and if Juniper would like I could send him a list to see.

Your response was that I lied about brokering domain sales in general, I don't own any .info domains, I have little to no experience, and that you will never do business with Namedrive. So one might understand why I did not follow up with an email trying to keep you in the bidding process: it would have fallen on deaf ears.

Ash

No, your client was telling me about your 'premium .info portfolio' that was the basis for using your services --- why would she make that up?

Your statements and actions here indicate either:

A) You DO have little or no experience in the business (clueless about negociation, unable to do a whois lookup, working for free, not knowing that DNJournal only lists sales of completed transactions and transfers)

- OR -

B) Something is very fishy with this transaction, your relationship to the 'previous owner' is something other than you've let on, you paniced when you realized you were having to deal with someone who knew the business and knew the domain was stolen, and trying to backtrack, cover up, sing and dance and divert the issue.

I think people can read the thread and the 'singing and dancing' on your part, see the 13 red flags, and draw their own conclusions.

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Rockefeller: When I first checked the domain in April, it was not loading any page/not resolving. There were no nameserver changes between Dec 2006 and today. Since I can't say whether this was a temporary problem or not, I've kept it out of this discussion when Ash posted that solar.info was 'a parking customer'.

 

[Jacksplat]

Namedrive did nothing wrong here. The seller is their client and I'm pleased to see they saved her several thousand dollars. They've kept me abreast of issues with some of my domains and as a client I really appreciate such customer care. Ed's even phoned me, as I've phoned them. Never have I been billed for anything. They give me great service and now I see they will even direct me with my best interest at heart in the event I do need some input with a potential domain sale.

I'm not trying to go up against you Juniper, I don't know you and not sure I've even dealt with you. Either way we all get pissed at times and after a short period we all shake hands and make money again.

Jack.

 

[Raider]

It hurts to lose a domain when it was within your grasp, it appears this has a lot to do with JP's frustration.....quite understandable.

 

[shopperx]

If the name was grabbed from a drop by her then its not stolen, you just lost it. Drop catching is a tough business thay may seem unfair.

If the seller contacted namedrive (or a friend) who knows more than her of recent .info sales thats ok, its the right thing to do if you are unsure of your sales price.

Now if ND contacted her first right after the initial offer was done and tried to break the deal its not a good business practice. But i dont think this is the case.

shopperx

 

[JuniperPark]

Shopperx: I was the winner of the domain at the drop catch, via an exclusive drop order.

If you're a high level drug dealer making a lot of cash, you can't just plunk down that cash for cars and real estate, it will set off alarms with the IRS/government/police because you have no income. You have to set up a business, create fake customers who spend a lot of money with you, THEN you declare a profit, and use that money to buy your cars, real estate, etc.

If you steal a domain name, you have to 'launder' it as well. If you just sell it outright, people will ask questions, and the person it was stolen FROM may come forward and want to know who it was purchased from. So, you need to get a third party involved - one who makes up an entity of an 'innocent' person selling a domain name to another innocent person buying the domain, with a broker in the middle so everyone can claim not to know each other. Now we have the 'chain of ignorance', where all parties claim to be innocent and not know each other, and use a variety of bogus names.

But wait, you say, isn't the broker in the middle potentially in a lot of trouble, taking a commission in selling a stolen item? Not if he takes the very unusual step of participating in such a transaction yet refusing to charge money (commission), even though that is his stated policy and is written on his website.

Another problem - a good broker will publicize the sale, getting the highest bid for his 'client', right? Then the person the domain was stolen from will find out! Not if it's all quiet, and done under the table. The key here is to NOT contact the usual buyers, that would shed too much light on the transaction, and people might figure out what's going on.

But wouldn't a responsible broker, a member of a business commnity, reverse the transaction and have a 'chat' with the seller once he finds out he was party to the sale of a stolen domain? Not if the 'seller' never really existed in the first place. The broker would, instead, whine and complain that he did nothing wrong, and try to blame the victim of the theft for focusing attention on him. Those aren't the actions or thoughts of an innocent broker caught in an 'innocent' transaction.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. It's up to people in the business to read through the posts and see how the unusual, and even bizarre behaviour of certain people and the 13 "mere coincidences" fit.

 

[lvddomains]

All i Have to say about this is. Never Stop Fighting for anything you dream of until You Live that dream, even if it takes forever to accomplish it. Domaining, is the way of life for some of us, it is our dream. When somone Gives false information, And does wrong business with you; most of us can't take that crap. It's Our instinct to react in a way of a lion. I think juniper is the winner here, because he's not backing off of this fight. I praise you for this Juniper. Be that lion and don't let people take your food.

We all need to eat
Be that "Lion"

 

[-netPH-]

Never Stop Fighting for anything you dream of until You Live that dream, even if it takes forever to accomplish it. Domaining, is the way of life for some of us, it is our dream.

I really like what you've written here... great!

 

[Mr. Deleted]

Geez,

I really hate when posts get like this. All animosity. Juniper, why would we go to such lengths, by your calculations, solely just to piss you off?

I think that the fact that you advertise to these clowns here on DNF.com is asking for these clowns to attact your company... :undecided:

 

[lvddomains]

Thank you, Appreciated, Just living the dream and hobby myself.