DNS to be replaced !

[QuantumBeam]

Dotcom is King!

:cheer2:

 

[Beachie]

Domain names aren't going anywhere, and particularly aren't going to be replaced by eNum's system. Users need a short memorable way of accessing sites - that's the reason the domain system was created in the first place - to 'hide' the IP address system.

 

[adoptabledomains]

Domain names are here to stay. People like names better than numbers. You might not think a phone number like 1-800-356-9377 sounds valuable, until you convert it to 1-800-flowers. It's the name translation that makes that number valuable, because it's easy to remember. Vanity licence plate sales have gone throught the roof in the last decade. Not just because of the vanity, but because they are easier to remember than numbers. Can you imagine remembering all your friends by their social security or phone number instead of their given name? Domain names are not much different than peoples names. The TLD is the surname, and the second, third levels are first, middle, etc.

Yes, maybe someday you will hide some of this behind something more simple just like calling your friend by their first name only instead of first/last every time to say it. Something like the additional translation of a "friendly name" in the email address book instead of the actual domain name. However, even if another layer deep, it will likely still be there.

Remember when Realnames tried to sell keywords to bypass the domain name system? It only worked if the browser manufacturers created the shortcut for them to translate that layer back to domains or IP numbers. New.net did something similar with a higher layer to translate "fake" TLD's to real something.new.net names. It didn't get rid of domains, it just supplemented it.

If anything, I see the telephone system going the way of the internet and adding a DNS layer. Instead of entering a number, you could enter a name to get the person automatically. It's possible the new .tel domain could actually do this by converging phone technology with internet technology. Maybe type in firstname.lastname.tel in your moble phone and it rings the assigned phone number instead of taking you to an IP and website?

 

[Rarethings]

^. Very insightful, and very correct.

 

[tas38]

.com is in everyone head now, it will rule forever. My mom don't know much about computers, and if I open a program and she needs to use the phone. Will say oh tim is online, I'll say no mom I just open a program to clean up your system. So I'm not online, you can use the phone if you want.

She ask me how do I find verizon on the web, could I just type www.verizon.com. Or do I have to do some thing else, I said yep that is how you go to their site. My child as well said, how do I get to tbs kids dad. I ask how do you think, she said I don't know tbskids.com. I said yes see you do know, she typed it in hit enter and goes cool there it is.

The whole world knows .com is the king and will stay that way. Even when we all go to wireless, it will be around you will be able to get to .coms. They can put billions, of new .whatever they can think of. And it will make the .whatevers, cheaper and lose vaule as people grab what they want.

But the .com will stay king and hold more value, then any other .whatever that comes along. People know the shorter the domain the better, but yet .us and .cc can't touch .coms in vaule and never will. I my self own arcadegamester.net, and still put it as .com at times with out thinking. Domain names are much more then just names, they are a way of life that most people live. Every time, they get online line to do anything.

That is my .2 worth, but I've been wrong before and will be again I'm sure. Tim

 

[cursal]

Mark and tas38,

Yes these are very plausible for the future of .coms and the dns system, but this DNS system is the first one. Dr Mockapetris even said he only built it for 50 million names. Since this is still the first one, the Model-T for comparison. The revisions will be made, have to be made, and they are tinkering right now on how to do just that, and make a Mercedes :-D.
Make it bigger and more organized (i.e ENUM). It may still be called DNS, but things will change.

I would also like to add that during the restructuring of the dns there comes the possibility of who controls what may change, become more "regulated."
Kind of like the 2 tier internet of fast/slow lanes and paying for it, as is on the minds of US lawmakers in congress, lobbyist, and Multi-billion dollar international corporations.

Right now the internet is still like the WildWildWest. Lawless. Well, not lawless, rather the laws are still evolving right along with the online world.

But now that the internet has established itself the laws will start to come with the discovery and installations of new technology, not after it.
I think there is time, possibly years, before that comes to full maturity though.

If we were suddenly restricted on where and how we could admin our dns, that restructuring alone would feel like the dns was replaced.

Just lookin' at possibilities.....

 

[adoptabledomains]

Mark and tas38,

Yes these are very plausible for the future of .coms and the dns system, but this DNS system is the first one. Dr Mockapetris even said he only built it for 50 million names. Since this is still the first one, the Model-T for comparison. The revisions will be made, have to be made, and they are tinkering right now on how to do just that, and make a Mercedes :-D.
Make it bigger and more organized (i.e ENUM). It may still be called DNS, but things will change.

Actually, this isn't the first DNS system. The first DNS system didn't have DHCP, NAT, Virtual Hosting, shared IP's, and some of the domain forwarding and clustering technologies. Some of the inner and unerlying workings do need revision, and IPv6 will help solve a lot of this if/when it replaces IPv4 in common use today. The original DNS placed a single domain or subdomain with a single IP number. Since they are in short supply, many work arrounds have been implemented to make a one to many approach work as a "fix". IMHO, they will get the current or a slightly revved up version of it to work with IPv6 and we will evolve and grow the current DNS system on the domain name side, not replace it.

It would be great if every domain were assigned a static IP again, and help greatly with virus, phishing, and scam control. If all adult sites were put on set a static IP range, it wouldn't matter if they had .com or .xxx TLD's, because you could just filter IP ranges as desired. Same with content from different countries, companies, etc.

Way too much money has been spent and invested in domain names to do away with the system. Many companies have built their company name around the domain name. From what I've read, Enum is not a replacement for DNS, but really just another TLD that assigns everyone a heirarchical "domain name" based on their phone number, address, or some other common identifying number. Really sort of like the original geographic .us system where you could be name.newyorkcity.ci.ny.us. It has pretty much proven now that people don't like or remember the long multi-dot heiracrchical names.

 

[Rubber Duck]

It would be great if every domain were assigned a static IP again, and help greatly with virus, phishing, and scam control. If all adult sites were put on set a static IP range, it wouldn't matter if they had .com or .xxx TLD's, because you could just filter IP ranges as desired. Same with content from different countries, companies, etc..

No, this is precisely wrong. One of the great strengths of the Domain Name system is that the physical location of information can easily be switched between Host without having to worry about maintaining the same IP addresses. Domain Names can easily be switched, so the Domain Name remains fundamental at the consumer level, whilst being totally arbituary at the system management level.

 

[adoptabledomains]

No, this is precisely wrong. One of the great strengths of the Domain Name system is that the physical location of information can easily be switched between Host without having to worry about maintaining the same IP addresses. Domain Names can easily be switched, so the Domain Name remains fundamental at the consumer level, whilst being totally arbituary at the system management level.

I don't dispute that the number/name system should be somewhat arbitrary. However, by sharing IP numbers now, it's possible your site may be blacklisted because it shares the same IP# or range as an illegal phishing site, known spammer, or adult site. I don't advocate assigning a domain a Permanant IP number that travels to a new host. I advocate that every domain be assigned a static IP number controlled by the host unless moved from that host. If you change hosts, that number may change, but is more controlled and origin traceable than todays DNS. Also, every end user host would have a static IP traceable to that computer location as long as that ISP account existed. Not like the fix of DHCP which doles out IP numbers to users as they log in. By segmenting large blocks by country/state/province/city and maybe some for adult content or special use, the individual could more easily block content they don't want or don't trust.

This would be not too unlike our current phone system. I'm assigned a number that doesn't change as long as I have that account. If I move or cancel it will be reassigned. If I wanted to block calls from russian area codes, I could technically do that. We have 976 numbers set asside for specific puposes (usually adult) From a number, you can somewhat tell where the origin is by country or geographical area.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I don't dispute that the number/name system should be somewhat arbitrary. However, by sharing IP numbers now, it's possible your site may be blacklisted because it shares the same IP# or range as an illegal phishing site, known spammer, or adult site. I don't advocate assigning a domain a Permanant IP number that travels to a new host. I advocate that every domain be assigned a static IP number controlled by the host unless moved from that host. If you change hosts, that number may change, but is more controlled and origin traceable than todays DNS. Also, every end user host would have a static IP traceable to that computer location as long as that ISP account existed. Not like the fix of DHCP which doles out IP numbers to users as they log in. By segmenting large blocks by country/state/province/city and maybe some for adult content or special use, the individual could more easily block content they don't want or don't trust.

This would be not too unlike our current phone system. I'm assigned a number that doesn't change as long as I have that account. If I move or cancel it will be reassigned. If I wanted to block calls from russian area codes, I could technically do that. We have 976 numbers set asside for specific puposes (usually adult) From a number, you can somewhat tell where the origin is by country or geographical area.

Sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick. Yes, I guess I agree with Static IPs, I subscribe for one.

 

[Rockefeller]

<<But numbers have soared. Figures for the exact number of registered domains are hard to come by but a survey in January 2006 showed that there were at least 394 million.>>

Do you accept this bit as well researched journalism? If you do then buy into the article. If not then bin it!

Agreed.

 

[fatter]

domains are the equivalent of postal addresses and phone numbers. a way to get from point A to point B. just like they havent changed in 100 years domains will be here forever
IMHO