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Looks like dot Info is the athlete that broke for the finish line two laps from home only to fade on the back straight! It looks Odds on as though dot INFO will be overhauled by dot ORG this weekend!
 
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What are you saying .org's are going for free soon?
 

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andyat11 said:
What are you saying .org's are going for free soon?

No, it is unlikely that they will feel the need to emmulate Afilias. Afilias gave away over 1.5Million domains to overtake dot ORG, which is hardly the most dynamic of competitors, but still has been overhauled within a couple of months. Doesn't look good for renewal time!
 

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Yes,

ORG 3,399,764
INFO 3,385,793
 

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true, they did give out many free domains (.info), BUT, considering the age of .ORG vs info, its still an amazing growth rate
 

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seeker said:
true, they did give out many free domains (.info), BUT, considering the age of .ORG vs info, its still an amazing growth rate

When you consider that dot com is adding the size of the dot info register in fully subscribed domains about every six months or so, it really isn't that stunning.
 

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almost 50% are free registrations .... and id say 90-95% will not be renewed, dropping them back down to under 2million registrations come the end of 2005.
 

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namewaiter said:
almost 50% are free registrations .... and id say 90-95% will not be renewed, dropping them back down to under 2million registrations come the end of 2005.

Yes, that's the crude mathematics. The real question is has it irreparably damaged the dot INFO brand leaving dot Net as the only clear contender after dot com, or will Afilias fulfil their ambition of establishing themselves as the main competitor to Verisign. Personally, I think they are whistling in the wind and the real prize of dot net is probably now beyond their grasp.

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I have to agree that it has damaged .info but not in the long term.
.info is here to stay.

I also do not agree about the '90-95%' will not be renewed statement, and I guess, one of us will be prooven wrong next September-November.
I think it will be closer to 50%
 

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seeker said:
I have to agree that it has damaged .info but not in the long term.
.info is here to stay.

I also do not agree about the '90-95%' will not be renewed statement, and I guess, one of us will be prooven wrong next September-November.
I think it will be closer to 50%

Actually, I have just visited Directi and I see they are offer Dot INFO for $1.11 until the 1st Jan 2006. Clearly the big give away goes on!!!
 

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I probably will not renew a majority of my .INFO names (what little that I do have). I simply registered a few for free to wait a year and see how the extension developed. The only names I will be keeping are names of particular interest to me, one word, or high overture terms. The rest are crap. Afilias will see their extension grow due to this marketing move but it will severly hurt the reseller market.
 

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.info will never overtake .org for info/non profit sites.
.net is slowly dying for commercial sites.

.com and .org are strong and will remain so for thier unique purposes.
 

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seeker said:
I also do not agree about the '90-95%' will not be renewed statement, and I guess, one of us will be prooven wrong next September-November. I think it will be closer to 50%

Seeker, I think the renewal number will be somewhere between 30% and 60%
depending on increased usage and higher domain sales.

Are you talking about the total amount of .info? Or, the ones that were
registered for free?

However, you also have to take into consideration that European companies
are the more active users of .info. And, with .eu coming onstream, it may
effect European companies enthusiasm for .info.
 

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I won't renew my info domains for sure. I don't see any value in them, they don't even sound cool. From what I heard on webmaster forums, about 99% of free domain names won't be renewed.
 

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i believe the .net extension is dying, people these days are more interested in the .com extension, like for example, if they search for a domain and only the .net is available they are more likely to search for a different name until the .com is available.
 

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within 18 months, .com will still be king in North America and .us will be #2
 

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GT Web said:
within 18 months, .com will still be king in North America and .us will be #2
Ditto...with an addition that within 5 years, .us will be either as coveted or more so than .com in the US, IMO.

On the other hand, .info and .biz are only other genuine gTLDs that are out there besides the older three with the chances of additional gTLDS being introduced pretty non-existent over next few years; this leaves the ever-expanding internet community left with existing gTLDs, true ccTLDs, ccTLDs marketed as wanabe gTLDs, and sponsored (s)TLDs....of these, the first two have much brighter prospects than the latter two.
 

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Dark_One said:
i believe the .net extension is dying, people these days are more interested in the .com extension, like for example, if they search for a domain and only the .net is available they are more likely to search for a different name until the .com is available.

The figures do not bear you out. Dot net is making steady progress with over now over 5.5m registrations, more than 3x the fully subscribed registrations of dot info.

Dot net has suffered as Verisign have had little vested interest in promoting it over dot com, but there will always be a discerning group who, whilst unwilling or unable to pay a hefty premium for a good dot com will not settle for a string of alpha-numeric soup.

The almost inevitable reallocation of dot net to a new registry will raise the profile of dot net and make it the focus of intensive marketing. I think we can look forward to dot net hitting 10m over the next 12-18months.

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Ditto...with an addition that within 5 years, .us will be either as coveted or more so than .com in the US, IMO.

On the other hand, .info and .biz are only other genuine gTLDs that are out there besides the older three with the chances of additional gTLDS being introduced pretty non-existent over next few years; this leaves the ever-expanding internet community left with existing gTLDs, true ccTLDs, ccTLDs marketed as wanabe gTLDs, and sponsored (s)TLDs....of these, the first two have much brighter prospects than the latter two.

Dream on! Difficult to understand why dot US has been so remarkably unsuccessful, even failing to outshine the ccTLDs marketed as wanabe gTLDs. At the moment it is drifting listlessly below the 1M mark and is loosing ground on dot biz, which has a similarly undistinguished record. Unfortunately, you only get one chance to make a first impression and both dot US and dot BIZ would appear to have blown it!

No TLD will ever outshine dot com because it is almost synoynous with the internet, but there will be a trade off between the quality of the TLD and the availability of a good second level string. Although, there will be fashion sensitive exceptions, it is very difficult to find brandable, compelling or marketable unregistered domains at the dot com registry. The secondary market, however, will continue to thrive for those who have been able to make useful acquisitions.

No prizes for guessing which TLD will start to attract significantly more registrations, once the frustration over registering useful domains at dot com really starts to bite. Is that dot US or a squadron of flying pigs?

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Dave Wrixon
 

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dwrixon said:
Looks like dot Info is the athlete that broke for the finish line two laps from home only to fade on the back straight! It looks Odds on as though dot INFO will be overhauled by dot ORG this weekend!

To be honest this is and was totally expected.

It’s a no brainer that a large proportion of the names registered during the free promotion will be dropped. This is actually a good thing because many ‘ok’ names will become available to end users and developers at registration cost which intern should lead to more active development within the namespace.

This promotion has had more benefits than disadvantages. I watch .info very closely and believe me the extension is looking very strong at the moment. Pre promotion there were just 7 million pages indexed in Google, there are now in excess of 17.5 million pages indexed and the number of daily registrations has actually increased by 33-50% when compared against pre promotion data.

The value of three letter and keyword .info domains have increased. Only 2nd rate names have seen any fall in value and this is likely to be just a short term problem.

- Rob
 

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dwrixon said:
Dream on! Difficult to understand why dot US has been so remarkably unsuccessful, even failing to outshine the ccTLDs marketed as wanabe gTLDs. At the moment it is drifting listlessly below the 1M mark and is loosing ground on dot biz, which has a similarly undistinguished record.

No prizes for guessing which TLD will start to attract significantly more registrations, once the frustration over registering useful domains at dot com really starts to bite. Is that dot US or a squadron of flying pigs?

Regards
Dave Wrixon

It's quite clear that the only yardstick of success you seem to care about is the number of regs....BTW, even by your yardstick which ccTLDs (wanabe gTLDs.. .cc, .ws, .tw, .la...others) have more regs than .US?

Another yardstick that many others in the business care about:

Wanabe gTLDs:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site:.cc (3,620,000)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.ws (2,730,000)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.tv (3,330,000)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.la (197,000)

New gTLDs:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.biz (7,200,000)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.info (17,700,000)

and .US:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.us (21,800,000)
 
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