Dot INFO burnout!

[namewaiter]

and .US:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.us (21,800,000)

problem is... the overwhelming majority are government sub domain that happen to end in .us

ex. www.capitol.state.tx.us

 

[mark]

several of my .info domains are producing some sort of ppc income and will be renewed; the ones that aren't wont be renewed. i would think that a 35% renewal rate for .infos will occur. the key factor will be the price imo.

 

[DryHeat]

problem is... the overwhelming majority are government sub domain that happen to end in .us

ex. www.capitol.state.tx.us

True. But is that really a problem or an indication that for a good number of Americans the .US extension is not only familiar but also carries a degree of trust and status due to being used by various govenmental entities over the years. The only hurdle is that a majority of average Americans don't even yet know that .US is now openly available for common use...in fact when I give my professional e-mail address, which is mail@ (my profession's name).US....I almost always get the reaction: Wow, how did you get that?

For .US its just a matter of time....

 

[Rubber Duck]

It's quite clear that the only yardstick of success you seem to care about is the number of regs....BTW, even by your yardstick which ccTLDs (wanabe gTLDs.. .cc, .ws, .tw, .la...others) have more regs than .US?

Another yardstick that many others in the business care about:

Wanabe gTLDs:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site:.cc (3,620,000)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.ws (2,730,000)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.tv (3,330,000)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.la (197,000)

New gTLDs:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.biz (7,200,000)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.info (17,700,000)

and .US:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=site:.us (21,800,000)

Google scores are a great measure of potential. That is precisely the measure we used to invest in Chinese and Japanese IDN. Only problem is that although some character strings generate over a Billion results, there is little prospect of selling them for a reasonable price in the near future, even though they are dot coms.

What most of the world still hasn't woke up to is the shear potential demand for internet address. There are so many firms using email addresses like [email protected] when they could be using [email protected]. Now tell me honestly which has the most marketing appeal? Most small to medium sized firms certainly in the UK do not understand that by registering your own domain you can design you own email addresses. A lot of them still have web address for extensions such as .aol.co.uk.

By contrast, those that do have their own domains don't generally stop at one. Many of them have several dozen for various reasons including obtaining search engine position. This can be a lot more cost effective than SEO or Adwords.

I would think that ultimately the number of domains registered globally will level off somewhere around the 1 Billion Mark. If that is the case then we still have a awfully long way to go yet, and that figure could even be conservative.

Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[dtobias]

What most of the world still hasn't woke up to is the shear potential demand for internet address. There are so many firms using email addresses like [email protected] when they could be using [email protected]. Now tell me honestly which has the most marketing appeal? Most small to medium sized firms certainly in the UK do not understand that by registering your own domain you can design you own email addresses. A lot of them still have web address for extensions such as .aol.co.uk.

What I can never understand is why so many people and businesses who do have their own domain still insist on using an address on a cheesy service like AOL as their e-mail; if you look in a hobby or special interest magazine, you'll find plenty of ads that say something like "Check out our Web site at FooBarBaz.com, or e-mail us at [email protected]." Gag, vomit, retch!

By contrast, those that do have their own domains don't generally stop at one. Many of them have several dozen for various reasons including obtaining search engine position. This can be a lot more cost effective than SEO or Adwords.

But foolish anyway; you can accomplish the same thing without any additional domain registrations by the sensible use of subdomains.

 

[Rubber Duck]

What I can never understand is why so many people and businesses who do have their own domain still insist on using an address on a cheesy service like AOL as their e-mail; if you look in a hobby or special interest magazine, you'll find plenty of ads that say something like "Check out our Web site at FooBarBaz.com, or e-mail us at [email protected]." Gag, vomit, retch!



But foolish anyway; you can accomplish the same thing without any additional domain registrations by the sensible use of subdomains.

Don't think I agree with that. URL forwarding can indicate a lot of additional links with relevant keywords that enhance search engine position. Doubt whether same can be achieved by merely using subdomains. On my own business site I am at the top of the important search engines for all the keywords that matter to me. Unfortunately, it is not the kind of business were that kind of success is readily turned into new contracts, but it does prove the principle.

 

[dtobias]

Don't think I agree with that. URL forwarding can indicate a lot of additional links with relevant keywords that enhance search engine position. Doubt whether same can be achieved by merely using subdomains. On my own business site I am at the top of the important search engines for all the keywords that matter to me. Unfortunately, it is not the kind of business were that kind of success is readily turned into new contracts, but it does prove the principle.

Subdomains can have all the same keywords that any other domains can have.

Anyway, doesn't it dilute your page rank to have multiple addresses linked to for the same page?

I'm doing pretty good in search engine rankings for my own sites without hardly even trying.

 

[Rubber Duck]

Subdomains can have all the same keywords that any other domains can have.

Anyway, doesn't it dilute your page rank to have multiple addresses linked to for the same page?

I'm doing pretty good in search engine rankings for my own sites without hardly even trying.

Nothing wrong with my page ranking. Keywords in the Page title, the page content and in the URL, but I think the second level is the key.

Perhaps they do, but I am sure that search engine alogorithms can tell the difference and do distinguish. If they didn't why would anyone pay a premium for a generic domain name, just register any old rubbish and make up for it at subdomain level?

Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[dtobias]

If they didn't why would anyone pay a premium for a generic domain name, just register any old rubbish and make up for it at subdomain level?

People do a lot of stupid, pointless things. There are also lots of snake oil salesmen trying to talk them into it... where domains are concerned, there are plenty of those around, and they don't make any money if developers choose to use logical subdomains of the domains they already have instead of registering, buying, trading, catching drops of, or getting on waitlists for other domains.

 

[mole]

What most people fail to realise is that .INFO allows the creation of huge vertical networks of interrelated and resonating prime keywords for a very affordable price.

This is virtually impossible and financially unfeasible with the .COM namespace unless you were in the fray back in 1994.

 

[FineE]

within 18 months, .com will still be king in North America and .us will be #2

When it comes to .us this is simply not the case. One cannot take .ca or .co.uk look at their strength in their domestic markets extrapolate to the size of the US economy and assume that .us will be that big. I seriously doubt that .us will catch up to .ca and that considering the relative size of the US and Canadian economies speaks volumes.

As for why, .us has little or no support from

1) US governments at all levels, The US federal government uses .gov or .mil and is not going to change, the US state and civic governments are leaving .us for .gov and other tlds.

2) Major US based brands. Compare how Google or Microsoft treats, .us .ca and .co.uk respectively for example.

 

[peekaboo]

When it comes to .us this is simply not the case. One cannot take .ca or .co.uk look at their strength in their domestic markets extrapolate to the size of the US economy and assume that .us will be that big. I seriously doubt that .us will catch up to .ca and that considering the relative size of the US and Canadian economies speaks volumes.

As for why, .us has little or no support from

1) US governments at all levels, The US federal government uses .gov or .mil and is not going to change, the US state and civic governments are leaving .us for .gov and other tlds.

2) Major US based brands. Compare how Google or Microsoft treats, .us .ca and .co.uk respectively for example.

i second that. .US is hands down the worst "major" extension in existence. its performance and outlook is nothing less than pathetic.

if anybody wants a bunch of very good .us domains in bulk, i will sell them at cost. pm me.

 

[namewaiter]

i second that. .US is hands down the worst "major" extension in existence. its performance and outlook is nothing less than pathetic.

if anybody wants a bunch of very good .us domains in bulk, i will sell them at cost. pm me.

agreed ... additionally, in the united states .com is so imbedded, marketed and the 'norm' that .us or any of the others don't really make a difference. there will be a #2 between .net/.org/.us/.info but they are so far behind it almost becomes irrelevant.

 

[FineE]

agreed ... additionally, in the united states .com is so imbedded, marketed and the 'norm' that .us or any of the others don't really make a difference. there will be a #2 between .net/.org/.us/.info but they are so far behind it almost becomes irrelevant.

If one looks at the US domestic market then I would say that .gov is and .edu are also in line for #2 and let us not forget .mil. The latter 3 are IMHO as much a source of the problems with .us as is the strong dominance of .com in the US domestic market.

To put this into perspective if every .gov, .edu and .mil site in the US went to .us as is the case in Canada with .ca or in Mexico with .mx then .us would be in a very different situation.

As for the North American (NAFTA) market .ca and .mx are major players because of their strength in their respective domestic markets.

 

[Theo]

What most people fail to realise is that .INFO allows the creation of huge vertical networks of interrelated and resonating prime keywords for a very affordable price.

This is virtually impossible and financially unfeasible with the .COM namespace unless you were in the fray back in 1994.

mole, are you drunk again tonight? :-D

 

[DryHeat]

if anybody wants a bunch of very good .us domains in bulk, i will sell them at cost. pm me.

I am all game for that. Please post your .us domains here, and if they are truly "very good" I will buy them at DOUBLE your reg cost....promise!

 

[Rubber Duck]

Yes,

ORG 3,399,764
INFO 3,385,793

I use Whois-source.com to track registration statics but these seem to be very erratic lately adding 500,000 dot coms yesterday. Is there a more reliable source of the stats?

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[actnow]

I use Whois-source.com to track registration statics but these seem to be very erratic lately adding 500,000 dot coms yesterday. Is there a more reliable source of the stats?

I use Whois-search as my reference point for registrations.

A number of things could explain the 500,000 swing. The most obvious is that
Verisign did some internal housekeeping.

Or, Mole registered those 300,000 "maybe's" he was sitting on. :laugh:

 

[mole]

Or, Mole registered those 300,000 "maybe's" he was sitting on.

Nah, just about 100 of them suckers. They came cheap at landrush, about the price of just one average .COM in an auction today. Sitting on them for eternity is not a problem, just the cost for a night out at the pub.

 

[actnow]

Mole,

We were talking about the 500,000 new .com's that were registered yesterday.

Since, you did not register 300,000 of them. I hope Fab. did not do it.

Maybe, someone who has a DeletedDomains membership should see if they can figure
out who registered all of those new .com domains. :huh: