dotMobi Responds to Rumors....

[Gerry]

But I just can't stop using the lovely .com button on my iphone <3

Try this.

See how quickly that little .com button on the iphone resolves to something like BMW.com.

Then try BMW.mobi.

How about BankofAmerica.com? What did it take? 1 to 2 minutes to fully load? Complete with all navigation menus and logo? Completely and fully load.

Now try BofA.mobi...about 6 seconds?

I was using the Helio Ocean, the phone that the iPhone wishes it was rather than an expensive iPod that you can talk on, and those were the results. Even the Wall Street Journal reported taking nearly one minute for Google to load on the EDGE network, and nearly two full minutes to load Yahoo.com and their own WSJ.com...in their offices, with the WiFi.

iPhone will most likely drop the .com as the default now that it has signed to distribute in Europe with T-Mobile, Orange, and o2. Why?

Sure. Dot com is the default on the Helio.

Delete, delete, delete and it's gone. That was difficult.

The rumor was never if certain domains are not going to be released, that was always clear...that "rumor" was made up by mobi itself to drum up some PR.
The real issue is that certain domains like those are held back to make sure there are almost no premiums available to jack up the price and sell them to the highest bidder that actually thinks .mobi has a real future.
The money is not going to some beneficial cause or anything but only to .mobi and to whoever is involved in the auction and it getting kickbacks. It might not be a scam, but you know better than anyone that its just a well promoted TLD that brings nothing new to the table and has no advantage over any other TLD. Why else whould moniker.mobi forward to moniker.com ?

Wow...do others who read these rumors you're starting and help spreading believe what you write?

You can consider these following words as rumors...or you can dig up the numbers and facts and sales figures yourself. Please do use Google.com rather than google.mobi.

There are an estimated 6.5 billion people on Earth.

There are 43,826 registered members of DNforum.

Currently there are an estimated 3.5 billion cell phones in use globally.

Cell phones are outselling PC's and Laptops by a margin of four to one.

I am going to put some trust and stock into the 6,499,956,174 people who have never heard of DNforum and who could care less about what any of us think.

And I think I am going to go with the mathematical odds that favor a 4:1 growth rate.

Regarding your rumors that you seem to be starting and fueling:

You must not be aware of the fiasco called the EUrid. To refresh your memory, 4 Brits were arrested and over 30,000 domains siezed as illegally obtained with fake registrars and false TM claims and rights.

Here in the US, front companies illegally obtained more than 300,000 .eu domains under false pretenses. Those domains have been seized by the EUrid.

In both instances, and many more, it was the prime LLL and premium words that were sought after. That may account for why out of 176 .eu domain pre-registered by myself and a partner in the UK, we got a grand total of 6.

These domains were siezed and taken back by EUrid. They remain in limbo today. EUrid is in shambles and will remain so. I can not see them recovering from this heaping pile of B.S. Poor management and fraud from the top to the bottom. Undoubtedly this fiasco has been a big reason why nearly 18 months after the public landrush .eu is still, in my book, a dismal failure and all the oxygen on the planet won't resuscitate life into that dead animal.

I think if there is one thing learned, that is HOW NOT TO RELEASE DOMAIN NAMES. mTLD obviously were taking some cue's. I imagine there was a great sigh of relieve from the folks at mTLD over those lessons of how not release prime, premium, and TM domain names.

So rest assured. If you are entitled to any of those 5000 or so premiums, you'll get yours. If you were the proprietor of a legitimate enterprise and had full rights to a domain name, would you not want your rights taken into consideration.

And for those premiums that are not TM'd, then you and everyone else will have an equal chance to bid on the domain you want.

I certainly hope that helps clear the picture for you.

Feel free to start, fuel, and help spread more rumors.

 

[Laird Mobi]

Nice to know they are all still alive though!! Thought they may have drowned in all that guinness or something! LOL it's about time anyhow!

 

[Fearless]

.mobi sucks

We are happy to have exclusive right to their best inventory and it will be released in various auction events over the next 12 months.

Great, waste valuable live auction time with crap .mobis.

 

[domainah]

There are an estimated 6.5 billion people on Earth.
There are 43,826 registered members of DNforum.
Currently there are an estimated 3.5 billion cell phones in use globally.
Cell phones are outselling PC's and Laptops by a margin of four to one.
I am going to put some trust and stock into the 6,499,956,174 people who have never heard of DNforum and who could care less about what any of us think.
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You are exactly making the case for what I said..you actually think as well that the .mobi TLD has anything to do with the success of using the internet on mobile devices. Those are two different things, all I am saying is that .mobi is fooling people into believing what you already believe. The TLD doesnt matter. A couple of years from now all mobile devices will be so advanced that there are no "mobile versions" of the web anymore..since the web is going to evolve like you pointed out yourself.
And in the meantime websites are going to detect what kind of devices is trying to access the site and display the data accordingly..no need for a whole different TLD.

The fact that you think that selling premium domains to the highest bidder is the only way of distributing domains in a fair matter just shows me you are defending something without really thinking about a different solution. Here are a couple of other suggestions: A simple lottery with ID check, or maybe go by whoever commits the most resources to develop a new website or the best concept in a written agreement in order to benefit all .mobi holders.., maybe an auction for which the proceeds benefit cancer research..but the way its done now is clearly just to make profit by pretending this TLD has some advantage over other TLDs

...its about pretending that this TLD has something to do with the mobile web. Just face it, it doesnt and just because you fell for it doesnt mean other people have to as well..thats the only reason I am writing this..its gotta be allowed to voice concerns and have a different opinion, but all you do is follow blindly what some company says that is taking your money...

so before you write some nonsense again answer this:
1: What advantage has .mobi over other TLDs when it comes to the mobile web?
2: Who is getting the money from .mobi auctions?

 

[mjnels]

The rumor was never if certain domains are not going to be released, that was always clear...that "rumor" was made up by mobi itself to drum up some PR.
The real issue is that certain domains like those are held back to make sure there are almost no premiums available to jack up the price and sell them to the highest bidder that actually thinks .mobi has a real future.
The money is not going to some beneficial cause or anything but only to .mobi and to whoever is involved in the auction and it getting kickbacks. It might not be a scam, but you know better than anyone that its just a well promoted TLD that brings nothing new to the table and has no advantage over any other TLD. Why else whould moniker.mobi forward to moniker.com ?

what you are describing sounds like a savvy business to me.... wah wah wah someone is making money and it aint you.. cry me a river


boooo boooo hoooooo...... i hope .mobi domainers fail and go broke.

that would make me happy.

...its about pretending that this TLD has something to do with the mobile web.

well i hope they keep pretending... pretend pretend pretend away, until .mobi rides into the sunset on the back of the mobile web.


.mobi might not be the mobile web, but what you fail to realize is that THIS is good marketing and GOOD business in action... suck on that, friend

.mobi sucks

Great, waste valuable live auction time with crap .mobis.

and then theres Greg the complacent millionaire domainer... how has life been without your creativity?

do you remember the exact moment in time where you didnt have to think for yourself anymore?

 

[domainah]

what you are describing sounds like a savvy business to me.... wah wah wah someone is making money and it aint you.. cry me a river

boooo boooo hoooooo...... i hope .mobi domainers fail and go broke.
that would make me happy.

You obviously didnt get what I was saying.
There is savvy business which I think is great.. and then there is selling something worthless and telling people that it has value... thats a whole different thing....I dont expect you to even remotely understand that because you have an interest in your mobis gaining in value...you are the one that is biased, not me..

I dont care at all if mobi owner make money.. actually the opposite is the case.. I would hope they do..they took a risk on a TLD they got PRed into buying... I am just cautioning to reg mobis because I have heard so many stories from people going broke spending so much money on those because they believed its going to be huge..and so far they lost $xx.xxx

so just to be clear.. I think its Great if mobi owners make money..just keep an open mind about things and dont fall for every PR trick

 

[mjnels]

You obviously didnt get what I was saying.
There is savvy business which I think is great.. and then there is selling something worthless and telling people that it has value... thats a whole different thing....I dont expect you to even remotely understand that because you have an interest in your mobis gaining in value...you are the one that is biased, not me..

I dont care at all if mobi owner make money.. actually the opposite is the case.. I would hope they do..they took a risk on a TLD they got PRed into buying... I am just cautioning to reg mobis because I have heard so many stories from people going broke spending so much money on those because they believed its going to be huge..and so far they lost $xx.xxx

so just to be clear.. I think its Great if mobi owners make money..just keep an open mind about things and dont fall for every PR trick

can i borrow your blindfold?

 

[domainah]

can i borrow your blindfold?

your number of mobi registrations points to you already wearing one

 

[mjnels]

your number of mobi registrations points to you already wearing one

but mine has eyeholes in it..

 

[domainah]

but mine has eyeholes in it..

ohh.thats why I have trouble seeing the keyboard..
..well I think its great that we can joke about it.. all I want to do is voice a different opinion and I think that should be allowed..I respect your opinion as well and hope your mobi investment is gonna work out for you...

 

[katherine]

...
1. dotMobi investors are doing nothing with .mobi and created the company as a money making scam.
...

This is how it works these days:
The so-called new sponspored TLDs that are unrestricted are banking on the fact that domain holders will want to register their name in the extension just for defensive purposes.
Other new TLDs like .eu have a large proportion of inactive domains for the same reason.
Inactive domains are enough to make the registry profitable.

Even if .mobi becomes another wasteland like .biz (which IMO is the logical outcome) they are still making money at the end of the day. So where's the problem

 

[mulligan]

If a marketing machine can put water in a bottle and sell it to you for $5 then it's a relatively easy matter to convince people you need to spend money on yet another domain extension.

And ... get a 'Star' on board to endorse it by drinking your 'water' on TV during the 'Superbowl' or an 'Expert' to 'invest' a couple of hundred K in it and people will be tripping over themselves to throw money at it.

 

[mjnels]

If a marketing machine can put water in a bottle and sell it to you for $5 then it's a relatively easy matter to convince people you need to spend money on yet another domain extension.

And ... get a 'Star' on board to endorse it by drinking your 'water' on TV or an 'Expert' to 'invest' a couple of hundred K in it and people will be tripping over themselves to throw money at it.

EXACTLY!

except i think you are missing the big picture... the marketing machine succeeded in selling people these $5 bottles of water, for whatever reason.

therefore, lots of people carry and buy those bottles of water.... its 'use' is pretty widespread now.

what happens when a TLD's 'use' is widespread..... hmm, that is what happend to .com, hence the extentions value.


there may be a fine line between 'scam' and pushing for something that doesnt exisit now... like making the statement ".mobi is the standard"

its all speculation.... what will mTLD be doing in 10 years... counting their money and laughing about the 'scam' they pulled?

maybe, but it would be smarter to try to actually make something real out of this .mobi thing, and take our money 100's of times rather than just 1 small window in time....before people realize its a 'scam'.


some say scam... i say thinking big.

this game is fun..

 

[jasdon11]

You know the trouble with nuclear physics?

Oh wait, just a minute - I forgot - I don't know anything about that......




Why is it in these theads, that when you mention that your .mobis get some traffic, and better than average ctr, the none mobiers ignore it and attack the registry?

Personally, I couldn't give a good **** what they do. I don't defend them or their actions because it wasn't their actions or statements that made me buy any - I find it offensive that anyone should suggest that to be the case.

 

[Gerry]

You are exactly making the case for what I said..you actually think as well that the .mobi TLD has anything to do with the success of using the internet on mobile devices. Those are two different things, all I am saying is that .mobi is fooling people into believing what you already believe. The TLD doesnt matter. A couple of years from now all mobile devices will be so advanced that there are no "mobile versions" of the web anymore..since the web is going to evolve like you pointed out yourself.
And in the meantime websites are going to detect what kind of devices is trying to access the site and display the data accordingly..no need for a whole different TLD.

The fact that you think that selling premium domains to the highest bidder is the only way of distributing domains in a fair matter just shows me you are defending something without really thinking about a different solution. Here are a couple of other suggestions: A simple lottery with ID check, or maybe go by whoever commits the most resources to develop a new website or the best concept in a written agreement in order to benefit all .mobi holders.., maybe an auction for which the proceeds benefit cancer research..but the way its done now is clearly just to make profit by pretending this TLD has some advantage over other TLDs

...its about pretending that this TLD has something to do with the mobile web. Just face it, it doesnt and just because you fell for it doesnt mean other people have to as well..thats the only reason I am writing this..its gotta be allowed to voice concerns and have a different opinion, but all you do is follow blindly what some company says that is taking your money...

so before you write some nonsense again answer this:
1: What advantage has .mobi over other TLDs when it comes to the mobile web?
2: Who is getting the money from .mobi auctions?

Lets start with the last question first.

Who is getting the money from .com auctions. If you want to sell a dot com you do. The ones that drop? the places like tdnam, snap, pool. So what's your point? Do you think GoDaddy, Pool, Snap are feeding the ****ing homeless with their proceeds? Donating to charity? Finding the cure for HIV? Oh, hell...that's such a novel approach. A registrar that makes money. If you want to bitch at or about anyone making money, contact ICANN't and VeriSign and ask why VeriSign was awarded control over the .com and immediately announched a fee increase?

Better yet, ask ICANN't why they are moving their world headquarters to Switzerland. (Hint: has something to do with income tax and avoidance of impending lawsuits over the RegistryFly and other issues including the allocation/theft of domain names under their control)?

Then, ask VeriSign how much of the proceeds from domain registration increases will they be funneling to charitable causes. Better yet, look up their annual report.

Here, I'll help:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={6059B81C-B18B-4EEF-82D1-ECEBAE37F519}
VeriSign files delayed quarterly reports, 2006 annual report

VRSN32.20, +0.02, +0.1%) on Thursday filed its second quarter, third quarter and annual reports for 2006, which it had delayed due to restatements needed for past periods following its review of past stock option granting practices.

For the second quarter ended June 30, 2006, the company reported net income of $376.8 million, or $1.52 a share, compared with restated net income of $40.2 million, or 15 cents a share, in the prior-year period.
For the third-quarter ended Sept. 30, the company reported net income of $15.3 million, or 6 cents a share, compared with restated net income of $56.8 million, or 21 cents a share, in the prior-year period.

For the year ended Dec. 31, the company reported net income of $379 million, or $1.53 a share, compared with restated 2005 net income of about $429 million, $1.63 a share.

Revenue for 2006 fell to $1.58 billion from restated revenue of $1.61 billion in 2005.

VeriSign also filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission a proxy statement, and disclosed that former chief executive Stratton D. Sclavos received a compensation package valued at $6.8 million for 2006. Sclavos' pay included a $932,130 salary, stock awards valued at $1.26 million and option awards valued at $4.63 million.

As reported, Sclavos abruptly resigned from his post at the Mountain View, Calif., Internet infrastructure company in May.
-Contact: 201-938-5400

That is called FRAUD. Anytime someone has to restate earnings is usually not a good thing and typically indicates "cooking the books." Holding back domain names is not called fraud.

.mobi is holding back names so they can ensure that the premium and tm names end up where they should be. Isn't that a ****ing crime to have a plan. But a plan that you call a scam and fraud.

Who do you want to be this week? Ralph Lauren? Next week do you want to claim that you are the mayor of New York City? Today you can be Someone with the initials GMC.

Your first question. Why don't you do your own testing. Problem is, you may not have the capacity. Nor the capability. See the first part of my response?

If you were to do this and tell me and everyone else on here how blazingly fast your .com sites loaded and how easy to navigate...then it is pure outright bullshit like the rest of your dribble.

I didn't fall for anything. You fell for the same arguments and lameass comments posted on this very forum as early as 2004, years before the damn thing was to be released.

AutoDetect??? My helio already does. Go to a dot com site, it makes it into a mobile...only on appearances. It does not function and the entire navigation menu does not appear when it auto detects. You have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page and choose the HTML option. Then you get the entire menu along with the entire site. Still, two loading phases, navigating problems. So now, tell me the Helio Ocean is a piece of shit and not needed.

A lottery? an ID check??? Is that why there was perhaps 50 or more claims for Sex.eu and BMW.eu??? Sure that solved alot. The bullshit would still be going on just like the .eu.

It may come as a shock to you, but .mobi is not going away because you wish it would and it will not succeed because I wish it would.

I dare you to go to something like boroughs.mobi on the cell phone and on your PC. Or En-route.mobi. or SDCA.mobi. And tell me that it does not work on the cell phone and does not work on the PC. There you have one website, no alteration, no magic...one website that seamlessly works on both the PC and the mobile web. And tell me that's a bad thing. Tell me that has no future and possibility of success.

I love this statement "..its about pretending that this TLD has something to do with the mobile web." Seriously, did you actually write that? Or is that something borrowed from the 2004 thread?

http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?t=75471&highlight=.mobi

Don't tell me. Tell the Board of Directors of the Fortune 500 companies. Tell them that you said it will not work, it is worthless, it is not needed. For added clout, tell them Frank Schilling said so.

If you offer someone a Coke, they'll want a Pepsi.

As for me "falling" for a bogus domain I guess I must say that it makes up about 15% of my portfolio. The other 85%? Other domain extension that I fell for.

I'll still invest in .com. But I also will go with the 4:1 odds of .mobi succeeding. No lottery magic numbers in that assessment.

EDIT:

Damn, I go out for a while and see all these added comments. It might take me a full minute to read through all these posts to find an original idea or comment.

 

[whitebark]

Why is it that the most vocal in support of mobi refuse to acknowledge that new cellphones and mobile devices have little problem displaying current websites regardless of their tld?

Saying that is not an attack on those invested in mobi. So instead of attacking the messengers, deal with the message for once.

 

[mjnels]

Why is it that the most vocal in support of mobi refuse to acknowledge that new cellphones and mobile devices have little problem displaying current websites regardless of their tld?

Saying that is not an attack on those invested in mobi. So instead of attacking the messengers, deal with the message for once.

you are missing the point.

water comes out of my faucet.. its almost free.

yet they are selling bottled water at the stores, for people to take home and drink.


next!

 

[whitebark]

That's a non-answer. Is the refusal to answer that question because it leads to the next point some have made here - that is - mobi is not needed for the 'mobile internet', and thus is just another tld like any other?

 

[mjnels]

That's a non-answer. Is the refusal to answer that question because it leads to the next point some have made here - that is - mobi is not needed for the 'mobile internet', and thus is just another tld like any other?

again you are clearly missing the point.

of course mobi is not needed... it (like all mobile websites) are supposed to make the experience better than a full blown webpage.


neeeexxxxxxt!

 

[MejCdj]

:rockon::amen:


My .mobi traffic has more than tripled in 3 months.

Dot mobi is not THE mobile web, it's the way TO the mobile web. If This extension had not come about, there would still be minimal traffic on mobile websites because there is no 'consistency'. This is what will make it easier for the mobile web to come about, even if .mobi is only used until global awareness is created by the news releases, and even if its only used until the browsers and wireless companies come together and make it possible for all web sites to be available seamlessly. It is a TOOL to JUMPSTART the mobile web. It benefits everyone.. even .com in the future. It is getting the ball rolling so that everyone will have traffic to their mobile sites. Its creating the 'buzz' that is making it all happen. Millions of .com .net. .org etc. owners will be reaping the benefits of what .mobi is doing right now.

This is not a bad thing. I do not understand the resistance.