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F*cked by Dell...Part Duex

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Why would Mexican workers be treated as slaves in Mexico itself?

As someone else said, there are no 'rules', no minimum wage, no health care for workers, no pollution standards. and crime that's off the scale. 2 days ago the mutilated body of the organization that makes government documents was found hanging from the bridge -- apparently he wasn't making forgeries fast enough. A couple of times a month they execute some police officers, as many as a dozen at a time, and dump the several body parts along major streets to warn everyone that the gangs are the rulers.

This is what Dell (and many other former US companies) are buying into when they move to Mexico.

There is nothing controversial or in dispute in this post -- all well known, and reported by several news sources.
 

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There is nothing controversial or in dispute in this post -- all well known, and reported by several news sources.
Thank you. It is simply a matter of a discussion regarding another business closing and moving those jobs to overseas and mexico.
 

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Thank you. It is simply a matter of a discussion regarding another business closing and moving those jobs to overseas and mexico.

The subject you posted is controversial in itself.

You have chosen to post your thread in platinum instead of controversial as a way to capture the most attention, since controversial is no longer in Today posts.

Look forward to DocCom doing the same in the future, since he has little to NO respect for Forum rules.

Nighty nite.
 

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Dell apparently is making this common practice:

Dell Wins EU OK To Get ‚¬54.5 Million Polish Aid

BRUSSELS -- Dell Inc. won EU approval Wednesday to receive a €54.4 million ($80.4 million) subsidy from the Polish government to build a new plant there, replacing Ireland as the computer maker's new European manufacturing hub.

Open since January 2008, the factory currently employs 1,700.


The European Commission said it could allow the government aid the company because the new factory would create jobs in a disadvantaged part of Poland -- Lodz, the country's third-largest city -- where there is an unusually low standard of living and high unemployment.

Dell said earlier this year that it would shift its European manufacturing center from Limerick, Ireland to lower-wage Poland with the loss of some 2,000 Irish jobs and another 840 in local supplier companies.


And how much did the Irish government give Dell?

A plant that has been open since only 2008???
 

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One thing I remember thinking when the Dell plant opened in Winston-Salem was that PC's were already becoming commodity items, and their prices were coming down dramatically. The facility was so large and state of the art it was going to require huge PC sales to make that site profitable.

I hope that Winston-Salem gets their money back. Since most corporations have no inclination to behave ethically, very tight contracts and regulations are always necessary to make them meet their obligations. Dell are looking for loopholes, from what I can tell, to avoid meeting their agreements.

It's also true (said above) that Americans have gotten used to having too much. We no longer have a significant manufacturing base because everything can be made more cheaply outside the U.S. Until Americans are willing to compromise & work for less, more trouble is ahead.
 

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[Hey Doc Com, sorry to hear you part of the world is losing jobs.

Americans continue to lose jobs in record numbers and Doc has yet to discuss it or shown any concern since Obama was sworn in, Seems Doc is more concerned about 1500 jobs lost from 1 factory in his own state than he is about 250,000 PLUS jobs lost each and every month across the country.

Not only does Obama have his priorities screwed up, so does his idiotic followers.
 

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One thing I remember thinking when the Dell plant opened in Winston-Salem was that PC's were already becoming commodity items, and their prices were coming down dramatically. The facility was so large and state of the art it was going to require huge PC sales to make that site profitable.
Wow! You are absolutely spot on!

That must be why Mike Dell came out of retirement and took back control of a company he built.

It was a no brainer to built a site specific to the desktop when sales were declining globally.

And this is exactly what the plant in Ireland produced - PC's.

And you are correct - that plant is so huge and state of the art. It is not outdated and outmoded by any measure.

Dell could have easily scratched the PC line off their list of things to do and added their netbook, notebook, laptop, or monitor line. You have the workforce, the facility, and the local colleges gearing up and supporting you. It's a no brainer.

Except...

why not use the PC as a lose leader but, to do this, we need to get the PC's made as cheap as possible to cut our loses.

Reading those articles about the Irish decision, the leave Ireland to go to Poland and take an EUC handout of 84 million, to increase their profit margin by 3%.

Does this not remind you of the Edsel? The Edsel came out in 1958 (first release fall1957). The design and model was based around studies and focus groups of 1952 and 1953. The studies showed that the people (then) wanted an affordable yet luxurious large sedan. Instead of monitoring the world around them and global conditions of the moment, they used years old data to make a automobile and release it when the US was going into a minor recession, oil prices were up, and the european makers were introducing affordable, fuel efficient, and well made vehicles to the US market - The VW and the Volvo.

History does indeed repeat itself. And the people who took over Dell and steered them during these years in Winston failed to monitor the national and global demand for a product that was outdated and out of demand the day the first model rolled off the line.

Those that use the desktop PC should have a pretty good idea of how to upgrade their memory and speed without buying a new PC every year. New models were rolling off the line with faster memory, larger storage capacity, Windows Vista, more Firewire and USB 2.0 connections - all of which can be purchased and installed for a fraction of what purchasing new will get you.

Yes, history does repeat itself.

I hope that Winston-Salem gets their money back. Since most corporations have no inclination to behave ethically, very tight contracts and regulations are always necessary to make them meet their obligations. Dell are looking for loopholes, from what I can tell, to avoid meeting their agreements.
I know the contracts are posted somewhere on the internet and I have seen them on TV. The head of the Wake Forest Law School in 2003 wrote against using state, local, and country money as an incentive for the very reasons you mention...

but, if the county was compelled to go ahead with these plans, she spelled out what needed to be done...benchmarks and timelines.

Pretty smart women, I would say.

No - I do not know her religious, sexual, or political orientation.

update:

Picked up by BusinessWeek and posted as one of their top stories in the Technology sector

Dell's Plant Closure Raises Anger Over Incentives

Munch, Munch, Munch...
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eating their words accusing me
of making this story up~
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