Hypothetical question...

[SDX]

Hmm...very interesting thread.

 

[DNQuest.com]

There is a difference between domain speculation and trying to profit off of someone else's hard work. I agree 100% that you should get as much as the market is willing to bear for a domain. That is supply and demand. But cybersquatting is illegal, using a TMed domain in bad faith is against the law. There is a huge difference. As I always say, there is a risk/reward factor that each person needs to set for themselves. Some will profit for others hard work, some will only use generics, some will develop domains, some will do PPCs. Some people will try to justify themselves, some have no reason to.

But her is the funny thing, how about actually rading what the OP wrote? People get off on tangents at times (myself included), but I do try to relate it to the thread at hand. The person whats to profit for a TM in some way shape or form. He asked for and received thoughts. He can judge for himself what he wants to do.

There is a difference between high and mighty and just presenting facts. Someone here once said very recently, "only products and be TMed", how wrong were they? yet, this same person goes around trying to help others with this type of logic.

To be fair, I have also stated the squatters can make money, they can legally find ways to make money from TMed domains, it can be good money. If they get caught, they just give up the domain. Most of the times, the companies just want the domain and that's it. But I will tell you this, there is a DNF member who listened to some of the bad advise given here and he met up with a lawyer with a chip on his shoulder who would not settle and took him to court. Yes, he listened to people here, he tried some of the tricks people offered to get money for a TMed domain, he got screwed. I have not seen this member online in a long while. I did my best to offer him some help and hopefully he isn't screwed. (if you are reading this, send me a PM)

In conclusion, do what you want. You want help, you will get it. You can read and make up your own mind. People are pointing out the pros and cons. Some people justify things differently than others. All we can do is present everything out there and you decide on how to proceed.


Petro, thanx for the vote, it is appreciated.

 

[jberryhill]

I love reading posts like these where the original poster gets caught with his pants down

Boxers or briefs?

there is a DNF member who listened to some of the bad advise given here and he met up with a lawyer with a chip on his shoulder who would not settle and took him to court. Yes, he listened to people here, he tried some of the tricks people offered to get money for a TMed domain, he got screwed. I have not seen this member online in a long while. I did my best to offer him some help and hopefully he isn't screwed.

Most golfers are not struck by lightning. But most people struck by lightning are golfers.

 

[Raider]

Boxers or briefs?

Briefs of course!.....:blush:

 

[Focus]

Interesting...thread...and Petro, outstanding post...very good points and very well stated! I got emotional man!

DnQuest..you raise some valid points as well...just not as many as we do.

I think I can summarize the whole "what if" thing pretty easily by referring to my all time favorite bumper sticker...glorified even further by the movie Forest...Forest Gump. k:

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/bumper...536/pNo_42242536/id_10355387/opt_/fpt_/c_360/

Happy domaining guys!

Tip for the day... Plan on owing alot of taxes next year? Look into donating a premium domain to a non-profit organization for a top market value tax credit deduction! eace:

 

[Dave Zan]

He told me that he thinks that all domainers are heartless scumbags that take advantage of people who want to build their business.

Does your friend know you're a domainer with a heart?

It's a shame some people find it conveniently easier to outright label a group
of people as scum of the earth, without caring to understand what it's like on
that side of the fence. But...that's their choice.

 

[Focus]

Totally agree..all the markets on earth surround the principle of supply vs demand and with someone buying low & selling high, etc...or for any profit at all for that matter..this is called BUSINESS.

Domaining is a BUSINESS. We are here to make MONEY. This is not saving the whales...save the PEOPLE, then worry about the whales. :smile:

ps - I love whales.

 

[petrosc]

Does your friend know you're a domainer with a heart?

lol Dave :lol:

ps - I love whales.

You all in a good mood today aren't you:lol:

 

[Raider]

I was sitting at a cafe with some friends the other day and someone mentioned that he wanted to build a website for his business, and he was talking to me in desperation because someone has registered the domain he wanted a few days ago(it was probably just a coincidence) and he wanted x,xxx to for it. He told me that he thinks that all domainers are heartless scumbags that take advantage of people who want to build their business. And eventhough I know we are not scumbags(because I do consider myself and most people in this forum to be a good and caring persons), I do agree with him that basically, we make our living by taking advantage of people who need something that we have - and we sure do our best to take as much as we can from them and at the end of the day we even feel proud about it.

This is a typical reaction of not getting what you want for what your willing to pay for it. If all domainers were charging $20 to 50$ for a domain, would we be labeled scumbags then?, would we hear the whining a bitching? I doubt it, If they cant see the value in what there trying to buy, nothing you say is going to convince them otherwise.

I've been called every 4 letter word in the book by a handful of potential buyers, I wish I saved the emails. One guy got hold of my phone number and told me if I didn't give him americanremodeling,com, that I would have to watch my back Every day of Every minute....oooooh I'm scared. (I got back at him really good BTW) These are the scumbags, not us domainers.

A nicely written piece Petros, I see nothing wrong with grabbing generic typos, its typoquatting on trademarks that I have issues with....And what you did with wwwme.tv was beyond what most domainers would do, including myself.

 

[Focus]

I've been called every 4 letter word in the book by a handful of potential buyers, I wish I saved the emails. One guy got hold of my phone number and told me if I didn't give him americanremodeling,com, that I would have to watch my back Every day of Every minute....oooooh I'm scared. (I got back at him really good BTW) These are the scumbags, not us domainers.

I'm not gonna even tell you about the psycho BIG time rap producer that works with the infamous Suge Knight whos REAL NAME in .com dropped and I got it thorugh some brilliant stroke of luck (sarcastic)...it was a big site before selling his CD's and clothes before and I snagged it from an ovt with ext. list posted here on DNF a good awhile ago..he had his "boys" from Miami actually come to my house and it was'nt a good scene..He did'nt want to pay $1000 for the domain despite the fact that he makes literally millions per year and drives a bentley. Ended up giving me low xxx for the domain as I really did'nt want to end up in a war between him and his goons, sometimes you just have to call it a day. Such is life.

 

[SDX]

Damn...and I thought the rude emails I get from cheap buyers were bad!
...
Honestly, WHEREVER THERE IS MONEY to be made there WILL ALWAYS be "war" and "fighting" to get to the top! And courtesy and ethics/morals are usually non-existant! :undecided:

 

[Focus]

Problem is that "top" is always changing...so just settle in somewhere in the middle and let the ego driven power hungry hot shots battle it out while you just make money and chill out & relax.

 

[Raider]

Wow Focus, that is bad....This is one reason to use a PO Box for WHOIS. If prices go any higher, were going to need body armor.

 

[SDX]

If prices go any higher, were going to need body armor.

At least we'll be able to afford it! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Focus]

I hear ya..well I moved twice since but I am not hiding from anyone, and I do my best to treat people right and come to equitable business decisons. I am however VERY well equipped to manage and neutralize any threat. I have a few tricks up my sleeve, and I honestly feel bad for the person that ever makes the mistake..add to that my next store neighbor who's my really good friend that sits around all day peeking out the windows while having war flashbacks & has more guns than I have ever seen in my life in one place other than a gun show...he is basically waiting for someone to give him a reason..the lawn guys are scared to go near his house. lol

 

[unholy1]

Tip for the day... Plan on owing alot of taxes next year? Look into donating a premium domain to a non-profit organization for a top market value tax credit deduction! eace:

Where I reside, there is no Tax for earnings made either locally or overseas... In my own country I still don't have to pay taxes provided I work/reside overseas.

And Excellent post Petros... you got me teary eyed...

 

[Duckinla]

There are some domaineers that do have ethics, and there are others that do not. I choose to be ethical as do many others on this board. There are others who only care about the money. These are the ones that do make it hard for the rest of us.

I'm curious as to how cybersquatters "make it hard for the rest of us". There are so many positives from the money that cybersquatters and typosquatters pump into this industry. I'm curious what the big negatives are?

 

[Raider]

I'm curious as to how cybersquatters "make it hard for the rest of us". There are so many positives from the money that cybersquatters and typosquatters pump into this industry. I'm curious what the big negatives are?

It gives the entire domain industry a black eye, Cybersquatting and Typosqatting are illegal acts and I think for good reason. When a typosqatter registers for example powerpufgurls.com, and throws up a porn page for children to see and perhaps click on, I would consider that a huge negative. And what about all the money corporations have to spend to stop the activity? ever wonder how much Microsoft is dishing out in Attorney fees alone? Oh, but they can afford it, so that makes it OK....lame.

 

[petrosc]

When a typosqatter registers for example powerpufgurls.com, and throws up a porn page for children to see and perhaps click on, I would consider that a huge negative.

But Eva, a typosquatter is most likely to throw up a porn page on a typo, only if the actual page has porn. Remember, his job is to typosquat and take advantage of that website's lost traffic, so he will adjust to the website's theme. And besides, you don't have to be a typosquatter to throw up a porn page. The owner of powerfulgirls.com can do it too and with a bigger impact


There were however cases whwre typosquatters took TM typos and put porn on them. They are the worst kind of people and they deserve what they got(because the TM holder will almost certainly not settle with less than legal charges) but I believe that they are a very small minority, immoral people exist in every industry and every corner of the world.

 

[Focus]

yeah, he gave US a black eye (zucharrini) ..everyone I know tries to provide the most relevant links possible...doing some companies a service.