I ordered a NG tankless hot water heater

[tas38]

I have a 2.7 GPM at 45% rise NG tankless hot water heater coming, I installed 2x 30k NG heaters to heat my house last fall. I've been running my hot water off the oil burner, but it run out so instead of keep heating a big tank of water all the time.

I got the NG tankless hot water heater coming, I only need hot water for the bath room and sink down stairs. Meaning I only need to use one hot water line at a time ever, so if the water is at it's coldest 33% coming in. Then that is a 77% rise at 1.6 GPM, that keeps it a nice 110% and that the worst case so it's should work great.

The heater is 15k to 60k BTU's to heat the water, no tank to have to keep the water hot all the time, it heats the water only as you use it. I took the hot water out of the wash room, the water may not run really fast but for a bath or shower. And to do dish's it don't need to run fast, besides a normal home ave 1.5 GPM so the coldest 1.6 GPM will work good.

Instead of crying about energy I've done some thing about it, I've cut my usage to 30% or less then what it was before in my home. And I got all the stuff my self and even installed the stuff, I'm very low income and that the biggest reason to do it to save $$$$ on energy. The gov't didn't bail me out, so I was forced to take steps, to stop the very bad bleeding.

There is no reason others can't do the same as me, if they would then we could get off all import oil all the way. The steps are easy and only need to be well thought out, with the savings in money it pays for it self in a very short time. Then your saving money in your pocket for other bills, and not giving it to country's that hate us.

As for me with in a few weeks, I'll be shutting down my oil burner for good, I will then be off all fuel oil and be changed to all NG. I may redo the oil burner water heating system, to use as back up if it's ever needed for that. But I'll use that same design as my NG heating, heat the down stairs, and let that heat heat the upstairs, and cutting other area's that don't need heating.

That will also then cut my heating by 60% to 70%, just like with the NG that only uses 2x 30k heaters to heat the whole house. NG burns much cleaner and we get lots of it, in fact PA been changing over to NG so fast they can't keep up. Our state is going to be storing very large amounts of it, so we never get stuck depending on fuel oil for heating again.

We in the north was hit hardest by high oil prices, as most of us had fuel oil heating, the cost at the gas pump was very small next to heating your homes. We got wind power gens going up all over as well, no longer will we sit and do nothing about energy. My state is on the front lines of changing things, they can take their dirty oil and shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

[south]

Sounds like a great idea! I will probably put a tankless in when it's time to replace my old water heater. I only have electric here though, no direct NG lines to the neighborhood, would have to go electric route. How much did it cost, with plumber installing & all, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Theo]

That's enough copy for 3 minisites.

 

[draggar]

In English please, Tas?

I've thought about getting one but I'm concerned about long hot showers and also running the dish washer (not at the same time). I've heard that some have issues supporting these (the water needs to be HOT HOT for the dishwasher). I've tried to put my heater down to 120 degrees but it didn't have much of an impact on our electric bill (from about 135).

How much do these cost also?

 

[Theo]

Here are some tips to conserve energy and save $$$

Always use cold water when washing clothes.
Install a showerhead that maximizes pressure while reducing flow rate.
When possible, ride out hot weather by having fans and using less A/C.
Consider using natural gas instead of electric for a heater.
Have a hot girlfriend (for the winter) and a frigid one for the summer

 

[draggar]

Here are some tips to conserve energy and save $$$

Always use cold water when washing clothes.

We do this.

Install a showerhead that maximizes pressure while reducing flow rate.

Already done.

When possible, ride out hot weather by having fans and using less A/C.

Yeah, right. But I have upped the AC again (to higher temperatures).

Consider using natural gas instead of electric for a heater.

We use our heat maybe 3-5 nights a year.

Oddly, everything we do to try to lower our electric bill doesn't work. We once had the AC at 78 all day and 76 at night (with many sleepless nights from me), set the hot water heater to 110 degrees, did the "cool dry" in the dishwasher and it had, at best, a $5-$10 difference on our electric bill (normally $250-$300). I wonder if they even read the meter?

 

[Theo]

I bet it's FPL

 

[draggar]

I bet it's FPL

Duh. Who else would it be? They raise our rates for hurricane recovery costs but don't lower them when they're paid for.

They raise our rates for the high fuel costs but didn't lower them when gas went back down.

Now they want more to pay for the nuke plants they built.

 

[Theo]

Of course, Ed. Last time I checked, both my power bill and my cellphone bill were loaded with numerous taxes and "special fund" contributions.

 

[tas38]

I only paid $140 shipped for my tankless hot water heater, I will be installing it my self as well, they got lots of them for good prices on ebay. Also they got different GMP Gallons per min, they go by temp rise like the one I have. It's a 2.7 GPM at 45 degree rise in temp, that how I got at worst 1.6 gallon per min with in coming water at 33 degrees.

That a 77 degree rise in water temp so I would have all I wanted of, 110 degree water at the tap at 1.6 gallons per min. Since the ave for most homes is 1.5 gallon per min I'm good to go. They have different temp ones to fit any needs, and for NG, pro gas and electric.

Even though I'm installing my heater as I did my house heaters, the hot water heaters should not take more then a hour or 2 by a pro, so the cost should be pretty low as long as you got the hookups close by. I put a shut off in my NG line so I can shut it off, tap into it and just hook the heater into the system my self.

The guy that turned on the NG went to check for leaks in the pipes I put in, he looks at the pipes then back at me and says no way that going to leak. And turned on the gas to my house, I went down later and checked with soap water though. I done it way better then it had to be, 1/2 soild steal pipes are never going to leak that is for sure.

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They said the tankless hot water heaters save you 50% and up, so you will save 50% or more on your hot water energy bill, so that is going to pay for it's self pretty fast.

Here is a link to them on ebay......

http://home.shop.ebay.com/Tankless-...arden&_mspp=&_pcats=115965,41986,159907,11700

 

[Mike Cruz]

Duh. Who else would it be? They raise our rates for hurricane recovery costs but don't lower them when they're paid for.

They raise our rates for the high fuel costs but didn't lower them when gas went back down.

Now they want more to pay for the nuke plants they built.

Yeap, ****ing ridiculous. They report record profits every quarter too... It's pretty pathetic that we still have a monopoly for power and light here in Florida. Imho, either they lower their prices or the state allows competitors.

Our electric bill is close to $600/month btw... Over the years went from $180 or less, to over $850 in our old house, to -/+ $600 now in the new house... siiiiick

 

[Raider]

My concern is the same as Draggar's, Can these Tankless heaters keep up with the demand?.... If you had 2 showers, a washer machine and a Dishwasher all going at the same time, will it deliver at the desired temperature?

With a tank, you have the storage capacity.. With a tankless you dont.

Duh. Who else would it be? They raise our rates for hurricane recovery costs but don't lower them when they're paid for.

They raise our rates for the high fuel costs but didn't lower them when gas went back down.

Now they want more to pay for the nuke plants they built.

Just wait until Obama's Cap & Tax is passed and signed into law, each and everyone of us will be forced into paying over 40% more on our Electric bill. All because of the biggest scam of the century; "Globull Warming" Governments plan to tax.

And for those who cant afford it, Government will offer an assistance program, That's nice of them dont you think?.

 

[David G]

We use our heat maybe 3-5 nights a year

Same here in the Sonoran Desert, some winters 3 to 5 times and some years not even one time use of the NG for heating. My big problem is the AC bill since the AC is on for 7-mos Apr-Oct.

P.S. tanklesshotwaterheater was taken in 1999 by NameAdmin :sigh2:

 

[DomainsInc]

And I thought my electric bills were high but I'm only paying about 70 a month for a 2 story/3 bedroom with full basement. I used to pay about 90-100 a month before installing CFL bulbs.

Just wait until Obama's Cap & Tax is passed and signed into law, each and everyone of us will be forced into paying over 40% more on our Electric bill. All because of the biggest scam of the century; "Globull Warming" Governments plan to tax.

And for those who cant afford it, Government will offer an assistance program, That's nice of them dont you think?.

The cost should not be pushed on to the consumer. How is that going to make energy production cleaner? Upping prices doesn't have the effect government wants people to think it does. It only empties pockets.

 

[HomerJ]

That's enough copy for 3 minisites.

:lol::lol:

 

[Gerry]

Consider using natural gas instead of electric for a heater.

I have LP and have been very satisfied. Except when the cost per gallon skyrocketed. Still, average per month not bad at all.

And, if you can, install a ventless gas logs.

That was unquestionably the best $250 bucks I ever spent about 15 years ago when I moved in here.

On a side note, this place was built in the 1840's. Can you imagine all the work involved to heat this place? It has 9 fireplaces!

 

[tas38]

Raider you can build your tankless system, to meet your needs in fact it's better to use more then one system, they also have large system that would meet your needs as well.

You need to find out your max GPM that gallons per min and how hot you want it, then hook up a system that will heat the water and flow the GPM. And if your a little worry still witch is under standable, just add more to the GPM you need because it will not hurt having more then you need.

As it will only heat the water as you use it, and will not heat water you don't use, so it cost you no more to have added GPM to your system. So that not really a good reason not to go tankless, but many will surely wait till the tank system they got goes bad.Then replace the old system, with the updated tankless system at that time.