ICANN Welcomes the World

[dominator]

i do not understand you

2nd thead about the same thing
http://www.dnforum.com/f17/wall-street-journal-web-alphabet-set-change-thread-392983.html

only speculations and speculations

 

[dn-101]

What's the matter, Ducky, your plastic dream is covered with toxic Chinese paint?

I didn't mention "Engrish" if that's what you speak preaching about the "benefits" of IDN. Like a lot of things coming out of the ICANN "club med" is not an innovation. Which is fine, because we can dissect it and place it in the appropriate trash bin.

You, however, my little plastic yellow friend, have no clue about what really matters in this business; and that's those who actually conduct it, not those that just talk about it.

Quack.

Acro,
Your writings provide me an inspiration to do a little more dissecting into the con called idns, and more specifically, the crusader behind it. Here's the case of the perpetually broke 'older bachelor', who talks his wealthier 'older bachelors' into funding his idn con. A small LLP is created in 2004 in London at a tune of £250,000. 5,000 idns were regged in 10 or 12 languages. Now time comes to renew it. But there is no cash flow. And so the partners are droping another £100,000 to keep it alive. And to keep Mr Crusader happy.
I'm getting bored. More some other time. Or never

 

[Theo]

I don't consider IDN's a con. I truly understand the need for brands, words and plain typing in one's own language. Furthermore, I don't consider IDN's a "threat" as Rubber Ducky proclaims that I do We've exhausted this subject ad nauseum a few years back. Now, to support the new developments I'd have to get into an "evil empire America" mindset, which of course that won't happen. To fully evaluate the importance of an IDN TLD one must view it clearly from a business point of view. And as I already explained, the addition of an IDN TLD layer is introduced for reasons of national ego-pride; or at least, it's been sold as such by ICANN and those who lobby for it. I already offered an example, that in my own native language of Greek, it makes no business sense to have "name.ελ" or even "Ονομα.ελ" because that ".ελ" means nothing in the real world - it's just an ISO code that nobody uses in the Greek market. That's the crucial point in understanding what is part of progress and what's just fluff created to generate money in the pockets of the usual suspects.

 

[dominator]

ad nauseum

ad nauseam in my native latin
(though it is of greek origine)

 

[stbmax]

When I started in the domain business around 2004, I was lucky enough to buy a few names that got traffic, and earned a few bucks.
I thought I was doing well, and then the ppc, started dropping, and the only names I was able to afford were typos, which I picked up on this forum, and a couple of others.
All the best names were owned by a few domainers who got in early, and amassed great generic domain portfoloios, or had the cashflow to buy up great portfolios.
I didn't feel ripped off, because they were either lucky, or smart, or rich...maybe all three.
They saw an opportunity, and put their money where their mouths were, and profited, because of it.
I saw an opportunity with IDNS.
I knew I would never be able to afford good, generic names, in English, and I didn't see any decent generic names available at a reasonable price.
Oh, there were plenty of names like:
StripedWhiteSportsSocks.com
HorsesRacing.com
CarsInsurances.com
but nothing of any real value.
I decided to jump on with both feet, in the IDN market...and I'm glad I did.
I was able to purchase some very nice, generic domains.
Sold a couple over 2 years ago, now, for very good money, and the offers are starting to come in regularly now.
Is there a market for them?...You better believe, there is!
When such a major change is made to the Internet, and to the Domain Name industry...you have to expect a few threads about it, here.
Instead, of bellyaching about it, getting involved, and possibly acquiring a few nice generics, while they can still be had, for a reasonable price, would be a much more constructive, and more intelligent way of doing business.
Its definitely only getting bigger, from here on.
Just my opinion.

 

[dominator]

When such a major change is made to the Internet, and to the Domain Name industry...you have to expect a few threads about it, here.

during the last week nothing actually happened (related to IDNs)

this section is called "Domain Name News"

what news?

tell me the new TLDs
i would like to know

 

[MAllie]

I wish I could apologize for that comment, but I didn't make it.

You're a valued member to this forum so take comfort in that.

Its actually a shame that some people look at a flag or a location and take that as a reflection for their true feelings.

You are so kind, Doc. Of course, JMCC is also Irish, so it wasn't just aimed at me. Don't worry, though, historically the Irish are used to being insulted. It rolls off us like . . . well, like water off a rubber duck's back, lol.

 

[stbmax]

The News is ongoing...just like this thread.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I don't consider IDN's a con. I truly understand the need for brands, words and plain typing in one's own language. Furthermore, I don't consider IDN's a "threat" as Rubber Ducky proclaims that I do We've exhausted this subject ad nauseum a few years back. Now, to support the new developments I'd have to get into an "evil empire America" mindset, which of course that won't happen. To fully evaluate the importance of an IDN TLD one must view it clearly from a business point of view. And as I already explained, the addition of an IDN TLD layer is introduced for reasons of national ego-pride; or at least, it's been sold as such by ICANN and those who lobby for it. I already offered an example, that in my own native language of Greek, it makes no business sense to have "name.ελ" or even "Ονομα.ελ" because that ".ελ" means nothing in the real world - it's just an ISO code that nobody uses in the Greek market. That's the crucial point in understanding what is part of progress and what's just fluff created to generate money in the pockets of the usual suspects.

Hmmm...

Read the Policy:

http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-plan-30sep09-en.pdf

3.3 Meaningfulness Requirement
The IDN ccTLD string(s) must be a meaningful representation of the name of the corresponding country or territory. A string is deemed to be meaningful if it is in the official language of the country or territory and if it is:
• The name of the country or territory; or
• A part of the name of the country or territory denoting the country or territory; or
• A short-form designation for the name of the country or territory that is recognizable and denotes the country or territory in the selected language.
The meaningfulness requirement is verified as follows:
1. If the requested string is listed in the UNGEGN Manual, then the string fulfills the meaningfulness requirement.
2. If the requested string is not listed in the UNGEGN Manual, then the meaningfulness must be substantiated by the requester providing documentation from an internationally recognized expert or organization.
ICANN will recognize the following as internationally recognized experts or organizations:
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a) National Naming Authority – a government recognized National Geographic Naming Authority, or other organization performing the same function, for the country or territory for which the IDN ccTLD Fast Track request is presented. The United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names (UNGEGN) maintains such a list of organizations at: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/Authorities_listJan09.pdf
b) National Linguistic Authority – a government recognized National Linguistic Authority, or other organization performing the same function, for the country or territory for which the IDN ccTLD Fast Track request is presented.
c) ICANN agreed expert or organization – in the case where a country or territory does not have access to either of the above, it may request assistance from ICANN to identify and refer a recognized experts or organization. Any expertise referred from or agreed to by ICANN will be considered acceptable and sufficient to determine whether a string is a meaningful representation of a country or territory name.
This assistance can be requested by contacting ICANN at [email protected]
An example of a letter from an international recognized expert or organization, confirming the meaningfulness of the requested string is attached for guidance;

during the last week nothing actually happened (related to IDNs)

this section is called "Domain Name News"

what news?

tell me the new TLDs
i would like to know

Well, that strictly isn't true but actually nothing has been reported at the usual Domainer haunts. That's true enough, but the DNJ did not even report the Seoul Meeting apart from to justify the low turnout at TRAFFICS. Nothing new there then!

 

[dominator]

when i hear "meaningful" from icann, then i must think about .aero or .museum...

anyway, what acro meant (i guess) is that we have one set of (two-letter) iso country codes, not 120 sets

 

[Rubber Duck]

You are so kind, Doc. Of course, JMCC is also Irish, so it wasn't just aimed at me. Don't worry, though, historically the Irish are used to being insulted. It rolls off us like . . . well, like water off a rubber duck's back, lol.

Actually, I can trace my roots back to Ireland as well and I have nothing against the Irish, but when you are talking about developments in the World, Ireland is never going to be deserving of much more than a foot note. The whole of the population of Ireland would fit into a Chinese City that none of you have ever heard of or me neither come to that.

when i hear "meaningful" from icann, then i must think about .aero or .museum...

anyway, what acro meant (i guess) is that we have one set of (two-letter) iso country codes, not 120 sets

Well this always has been a mess. China in fact has always had two codes. One which America uses and one they use for themselves. The New Policy is precisely that, it to avoid repeating the errors of the past not to justify them. Hopefully, we won't see a lot extension that are meaningless. I think the only real issue I have come across is why at least two Chinese symbols have to be used when they represent full syllables, but I am sure that problem will be resolved.

 

[bwhhisc]

Your writings provide me an inspiration to do a little more dissecting into the con called idns, and more specifically, the crusader behind it.

Written by a guy who holds hundreds, if not way more IDNs. :lol:

The true "crusader" behind IDN are the hundreds of people involved over the last decade to bring it all to fruition. Here's a link to some history...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_name

 

[Sarcle]

If the Japanese aren't confused then someone please tell them.

Here is a huge Japanese site.

kakaku.com (price) in japanese.

Monthly searches according to Adwords:

kakaku com - 246,000 mo searches
価格 com - 1,220,000 mo searches
価格 コム - 673,000 mo searches
価格 ドット コム - 201,000 mo searches

"価格 コム" and "価格 ドット コム" is "kakaku com" and "kakaku dot com" translated in Japanese. They are searching for it more than the engrish name.

They don't need it? They aren't confusing it? Hm...

 

[dominator]

They don't need it? They aren't confusing it? Hm...

and what is your point?

yes, they are some idn websites with interesting content
so people use them

i registered my first idn in 2001 , so i expect that at least someone has developed his idn during these 8 years

 

[Rubber Duck]

Acro,
Your writings provide me an inspiration to do a little more dissecting into the con called idns, and more specifically, the crusader behind it. Here's the case of the perpetually broke 'older bachelor', who talks his wealthier 'older bachelors' into funding his idn con. A small LLP is created in 2004 in London at a tune of £250,000. 5,000 idns were regged in 10 or 12 languages. Now time comes to renew it. But there is no cash flow. And so the partners are droping another £100,000 to keep it alive. And to keep Mr Crusader happy.
I'm getting bored. More some other time. Or never

Nothing like half a story. You really are some joker. Yes, a company was formed. Yes, it is true there is little traffic, but the net cash-flow has been out. I agree to date, however, it has not provided much of a living. But that was significance of Seoul. That will very much make people aware of IDN. At the moment knowledge of IDN is probably limited to half the domaining community, and three quarters of them are not interested and 95% of the rest have completely misunderstood. Seoul takes the whole issue global. There will be IDN. Of course I hope IDN.com will take much of the market, but even if they over-shadowed they are going to earn a lot more than they do now. IDN were doing so well in Search that Yahoo and Google both intervened to prevent them being ranked. Such limitation will come off when the market opens up. At present China is blocked to IDN because they have their own hack which corrupts the IDN.com address. This will now come off. IDN are going to boom big time! Unlike dot Mobi, IDN has big politics behind it and big business is taking an interest, even to the point of corrupting UDRP panels it would seem.

 

[Sarcle]

and what is your point?

yes, they are some idn websites with interesting content
so people use them

There is nothing on this IDN. http://価格.com. That's my point.

 

[Gerry]

There is nothing on this IDN. http://価格.com. That's my point.

That's someone's lost opportunity.

 

[dominator]

There is nothing on this IDN. http://価格.com. That's my point.

ok, i got it, they use 価格.com as their logo, but it is not registered

 

[Sarcle]

ok, i got it, they use 価格.com as their logo, but it is not registered

Yes, but nowhere on that site does it say "コム" or "com" in Japanese. They are searching for it on their own. In fact, the Japanese are searching 3 times more for '価格 コム" than the actual domain name itself.

 

[Theo]

You missed my point entirely, Duck. The specifications document is the kind of mumbo-jumbo best bypassed in order to get to the substance. And the substance is, that ".ελ" is a shorthand of something used only - well, guess where: specification manuals. It's an ISO code that means nothing "on the street". How do you expect every Registry to market their country code in the native language? Although I *might* set China aside, if those 2 letters spared for the TLD truly represent the name, instead of a shorthand of it. And regardless, the exception does not make the rest look too appealing.