LLLL.com's prices going down....?

[Theo]

LLLL.com's drop daily? Are you kidding??? Tell me how to get one!

Go to NameJet or Pool and get the ones that are worthy paying for. Or stay at the buffet and share the JYXQ crumbs.

BTW.... LLL.com's still drop also...What's your Point?

Please point me to a single LLL .com that dropped recently.

LLLL.coms are still a great buying opportunity! even compared to LLL.com's

LLLL .com's that are old or have good letters or have traffic or have established history or have lots of Google results ARE a great buying opportunity.

Eliminating the crumbs from the table does not constitute a full meal.

 

[domainstand]

Go to NameJet or Pool and get the ones that are worthy paying for. Or stay at the buffet and share the JYXQ crumbs.



Please point me to a single LLL .com that dropped recently.



LLLL .com's that are old or have good letters or have traffic or have established history or have lots of Google results ARE a great buying opportunity.

Eliminating the crumbs from the table does not constitute a full meal.

upj.com dropped about 6 months ago

Go to NameJet or Pool and get the ones that are worthy paying for. Or stay at the buffet and share the JYXQ crumbs.

SO BE IT !!!

One man's crumbs another mans Gold !



We'll be making money on
those crumbs, while you sit back trying pay for your Filet Mignon ABC.com.

 

[Theo]

LOL

Dude, it's one thing talking about your choice of fast food burger and another trying to convince an entire market that your choice of diet is the next big thing. Get real.

Seems that the only way to instill some common sense is to get flogged daily on the forums, just like the .mobi fanbois.

Here's what a LLL .com portfolio pioneer, Telepathy Inc., says about LLLL .coms.

 

[domainstand]

LOL

Dude, it's one thing talking about your choice of fast food burger and another trying to convince an entire market that your choice of diet is the next big thing. Get real.

Seems that the only way to instill some common sense is to get flogged daily on the forums, just like the .mobi fanbois.

Here's what a LLL .com portfolio pioneer, Telepathy Inc., says about LLLL .coms.

Acro, I wish you would make a point already! Another typical witty response from you, more analogies ..... no substance.... how boring you are getting.

Shall I call you the Omarosa of DNF? I wonder if surely you keep posting here for the entertainment value. So far you have yet to convince me about anything, except that you like to throw insults. i.e. your common Sense remark..


I started domaining many years ago like you.... let it go bro... so what????
Don't let your credibility get diluted by your pompous domainer piety.

I am not trying to convince an entire market either... just letting my peeps here know.... There's still money out there to be made without spending over $100 a name... newbies still have a chance to claim a bit of past glory, like we did at affordable prices.

You keep hyping the aftermarket drop companies that have actually have made it impossible for most to get a decent name anymore! F**k the Auction model that Pool started. ( Remember SnapNames would get a name for you for $60 if you backordered it first! NO AUCTION !)


Again, for the record " Any $50 LLLL.com's are a still a deal ! BUY, BUY, BUY !" My reason again:

1.) Short, easy to remember dot coms will always be in demand.

2.) They ain't making more of them. Get a piece of Domain Real Estate.

3.) I still think even a letter combo like ZXWQ (.) com is easily brandable and can be remembered.



I am purely stating my opinions to this discussion, again insults are not necessary,

as we all know opinions are like assholes....everyone has one.

 

[Theo]

My credibility is not dependent on you, my friend. In fact, the mere fact that I switched my focus to this thread will give you your 15 minutes of fame in this forum

If you get insulted because I speak the truth through experience and factual statements - which you still refuse to acknowledge due to major bias - that's not going to hurt me, it hurts you and the blind cult followers.

I said it already and I will say it again: you can't compare 4-letter .com's to 3-letter .com's and bring forward analogous arguments. And the only sane investment in 4-letter .com's is by getting domains that already have the potential to increase in value, as I explained above: old non-expired names, with traffic, with good letters and with Google results.

You can continue beating your *** down screaming how 4-letter .com's will be worth $300 in 2012 (why not, 2011 or 2013 ?) but this is plain hocus-pocus as if I were to say that 3-letter .com's will be worth $100k minimum in 2020.

Enough already, propaganda should be frowned upon. Bias and pushing of domains while inflating a non-existent trend will only isolate the perpetrators. Posting a 100-strong sample out of 1/2 million domains to create a fuss and claim value due to domain development is not just ridiculous, it's misinformation and equivalent to the pump and dump at the stock market.

And that, my friend, is a punishable act.

 

[domainstand]

what ? no witty analogies? - HALLELUJAH !!


Ok, I know you will need to have the last word.

go for it.... as I stated my case.

 

[acesfull]

I've been watching the 4-Letter .com trend since 1999 and I believe that LLLL.coms will have a minimum value of $100, within 1 to 2 years, no matter "how bad" the quality or combination of letters.

I do think, however, it would be better to invest $500 to $1,000 for a better-quality LLLL.com, than $50 to $100 for a less-desirable combination of letters. It's like investing in coins - a rare coin is much more likely to increase in value, percentage-wise, than a more-common or lesser-grade coin.

 

[rkbdomain]

Enough already, propaganda should be frowned upon. Bias and pushing of domains while inflating a non-existent trend will only isolate the perpetrators. Posting a 100-strong sample out of 1/2 million domains to create a fuss and claim value due to domain development is not just ridiculous, it's misinformation and equivalent to the pump and dump at the stock market.

How is it "misinformation" to provide information about the market? I agree a larger sample size will give a lower margin of error at a 95% confidence level (and will do more scans in the future, as mentioned above), but the information is still relevant as posted. I thought since you were claiming that everyone was pulling values out of nowhere it would actually be useful to have real metrics that analyze the current state of the market. And the sample was useful to me at least, it shows that a lot of these domains are developed as Chinese web sites, which suggests (but of course does not prove) that some "bad letter" domains might actually have good end-user potential. I will do more scans and post them, but I don't see where the problem is in providing the information (and the weirdest part is is I don't even own any LLLL's!).

 

[Theo]

How did you generate the randomness of your sample?

I already pointed out that:

1. The sample is insignificant
2. It needs to relate to the age of domains

In other words, the information might be related to your sample but you can't scale it to represent half a million names.

 

[tristanperry]

Probably after looking at the $8k prices for crap LLL.com domains. Lol. You can't say that crap LLLL.coms won't work when their big brother are doing amazingly.

And still no-one has attempted to argue against this...

On what basis do you anticipate that range, or did you simply pull these numbers the way one would play lotto?

 

[rkbdomain]

How did you generate the randomness of your sample?

I already pointed out that:

1. The sample is insignificant
2. It needs to relate to the age of domains

In other words, the information might be related to your sample but you can't scale it to represent half a million names.

I use a random number/letter generator function in excel. It's not "insignificant", it just has a 10% margin of error at a 95% confidence level. So at a statistically significant level between 15%-35% of LLLL's are developed sites, and I hope to narrow the margin of error with more testing. I agree with you that the age of domains would be an interesting thing to add on to the survey (it would just take me a lot longer to do), but I still think that what I posted was informative to see how many websites are developed, and what types they are, to get a rough sense of the market, and to see that a lot of the developed sites are Chinese.

 

[Reece]

Phil (VURG) is a LLLL.com domainer and statistician and I remember him once mentioning that we'd need to use at least a 3% random sample size (eg. 14000+ names randomly generated) to truly be sure of results.

Not trying to play the naysayer here, but I don't believe a sample size of 100 would be anywhere near that confidence level.

As Acro has mentioned, age really is an important element to consider. I'd be willing to bet well over half the LLLL.coms registered in the 90s are developed sites or at least were at some point (at least from what archive.org tells me about my own LLLL.coms).

 

[rkbdomain]

Phil (VURG) is a LLLL.com domainer and statistician and I remember him once mentioning that we'd need to use at least a 3% random sample size (eg. 14000+ names randomly generated) to truly be sure of results.

Not trying to play the naysayer here, but I don't believe a sample size of 100 would be anywhere near that confidence level.

As Acro has mentioned, age really is an important element to consider. I'd be willing to bet well over half the LLLL.coms registered in the 90s are developed sites or at least were at some point (at least from what archive.org tells me about my own LLLL.coms).

I'm working on doing more scans, although at the 95% confidence level I don't think we would need 14000 names to get a decent margin of error. Maybe VURG is talking about a higher confidence level. And it would be interesting to test your theory with real data, I think I may do some checks on archive.org of the sites I find to try to get some data on how old the developed sites are, my guess is that the Chinese sites may be more recent.

 

[Reece]

Probably after looking at the $8k prices for crap LLL.com domains. Lol. You can't say that crap LLLL.coms won't work when their big brother are doing amazingly.

And still no-one has attempted to argue against this...

That's a very good argument and one which I'd be willing to discuss anyday of the week...

I like to use my BQB.com as an example in comparisons when discussing this issue with others...

Should we not be able to look into potential acronyms and come up with a "reasonable" value for each BQB#.com where # is a letter from A-Z?

Contrary to many LLLL.com domainers, I don't believe that every LLLL.com will sell for at least 1/26th of what a similar LLL.com will sell for, but, on the other hand, believe that some of them with particularly desirable acronyms (think O for Online, C for Corporation, L for Limited, etc) may very well sell for a significant premium over that 1/26th of the valuation, others being nothing more than "domainer trophies".

If I take my BQB.com once again, what could I conceivably do if I was an enduser who wanted to call his business "Better Quality Business" without the money to buy an LLL.com?

Some examples for the enduser who cannot afford BQB:

BQBA - Better Quality Business Associates
BQBC - Better Quality Business Corporation
BQBD - Better Quality Business Development
BQBI - Better Quality Business Inc.
BQBL - Better Quality Business Ltd.
BQBO - Better Quality Business Online
BQBP - Better Quality Business Products
BQBS - Better Quality Business Systems (this domain is developed with this acronym)
...


The worst LLLL.coms imho are the ones which end in a bad letter, not those that have bad letters elsewhere. Seeing as there are corporations out there for pretty much every QXZ 3 letter combination, ending in a good letter like some of the examples above should provide for at least some enduser potential (and hence "lottery ticket" status).

One thing we need to all remember too is that many LLL.coms (especially the lower quality ones) are bought as domainer trophies. How many domainers who started out with scratch recently haven't dreamed of one day owning a few generics and a few LLL.coms? Anyone? When I started domaining seriously last year, I only had about 10k to spend on domain names... I made it big on LLLL.coms and guess what the first thing I bought was after that? An LLL.com

 

[NostraDomainus]

I've seen more LLLL .coms drop the last 2 months than I can shake a stick at.

 

[A D]

I can add that the 2 LLLL.com's I have sold recently for over 5K each made no sense to me but the buyers knew what they wanted.

Just because I think it's a weird letter combination doesn't matter.

The value of a domain is always what the buyer is willing to pay for it.

-=DCG=-

 

[domaingenius]

Its all very much like the game "pass the parcel" . It is a case of can the domainer hold the domain long enough to find an end user willing to pay a good price. I would reckon with some of the zqqz type domains it is pretty much going to be decades until you find a company/buyer , but some good ones like say nalc , baal etc etc might be easier to find buyers for.

DG

 

[tristanperry]

I can add that the 2 LLLL.com's I have sold recently for over 5K each made no sense to me but the buyers knew what they wanted.

Just because I think it's a weird letter combination doesn't matter.

The value of a domain is always what the buyer is willing to pay for it.

-=DCG=-

I couldn't agree more And congrats on the two sales, I heard of those and they were really nice ones

 

[AngelDomains]

I have about 100 domain names that are 3 and 4 characters (.com / .net / .org) ...


I am selling them cheap as a lot ... PM me if interested

 

[DomainMagnate]

Based on recent sales from the LLLL thread in NP prices seem stable and going up slightly.