New Era...

[acronym007]

My friends I am a Real Estate Broker, I will tell you this. Yes, there are some very wise or smart people in the business but like with domains or anything else, sometimes your just in the right place at the right time. I bought a home that doubled in value. It is the home I live in, I would like to tell you I was this really smart person but it was sheer luck. I bought it because I needed a home for my family, market values went up, no control of my own and here I am. So, don't believe all the hype sometimes there is no skill involved just timing.

 

[sasquatch]

yea, lots of $$$ being circulated..

Lots of money or lots of BS or lots of magic?

You be the judge > http://dnforum.com/showthread.php?p=573957

 

[actnow]

Cappuccino,

Have you been drinking too many cappuccino's this morning. You sound a little hyper. :-D

The pricing of domains have been getting stranger EVERY WEEK.

Part of the auction process causes the prices to be high. The heavy hitters do
not often buy on the secondary market. (DNF, etc.)

They know they will only have one opportunity to grab it.

Then, you get into the p*ssing battles between the major players.
For example, Cayman works very hard at bidding against Marchex and BD.
BD use to ignore him and let him win. Now, that an investment group is involved
with BD. I see BD being just as aggressive in securing new domains.

I see Marchex bidding aggressively for a couple reasons. I think the bidding manager
might be new to the business. And, also they have enough cash to cover any errors
in purchases. Plus, their strategy is to build a larger inventory base.

Then, you have a couple of the old timers bidding because they feel this might be the
last chance at these "discounted" prices.

Overall, I believe all of the major players feel that the price of domains are going to
escalate even more than they have. And, they don't want to miss the buying opportunity.

Also, just because the domain does not have traffic or overture numbers does not
mean that it doesn't have value. For example, I have one domain that I'm positive is
worth $ 50,000 plus. And, it gets very little traffic. But, I sure a major corporation
would pay that amount for this generic domain.

The branding potential of domains is very important.

For example, GlobalGroup.com went for $ 6,100 this past week at Snapnames.
(I didn't win it.) It gets zero at overture. But, I'm sure a major corporation would
buy that for much more than $ 6,100.

Cap, I have a feeling you are in the southern Fla area. 20 yrs ago, you could have
bought prime property there for a very, very low price compared to today.

Without going off on a tangent, what true value does a diamond or gold have?
Part of the value is in the end product.

 

[stuff]

If I would have bought appartment five years ago then I would have 5x my money.
But that is IF....
And I really don`t have anything to do with if..

this is assuming that the guy who buys innovations.com just uses it for parking purposes, which I don't think is the case. All the "good" names that get caught and redirected to PPC are usually expired linkpop names which only have value because of their former name anyway.

Looks like vertical won it, so it will go to PPCor if mrsjello won it, then it will also go to PPC

 

[sasquatch]

Cappuccino,

Have you been drinking too many cappuccino's this morning. You sound a little hyper. :-D

I'm always hyper. That's my nature.

Also, just because the domain does not have traffic or overture numbers does not mean that it doesn't have value. For example, I have one domain that I'm positive is worth $ 50,000 plus. And, it gets very little traffic. But, I sure a major corporation would pay that amount for this generic domain.

The branding potential of domains is very important.

For example, GlobalGroup.com went for $ 6,100 this past week at Snapnames. (I didn't win it.) It gets zero at overture. But, I'm sure a major corporation would buy that for much more than $ 6,100.

Yes understood of course. But if you were a little better reader you would have seen that I went to great pains to explain that I had issues with 0 ovt. 0 linkpop names with otherwise realistic regfee or very little as-is-value.

OnlinePokerRoom is three words made up name, of almost the same quality as ElectronicPokerRoom.com or InformationSuperhighwayCasino.com

I could see that someone payys 1k, maybe 5k if they don't feel well that day, but throwing 30k...?? I would've rather put that 30k in London betting parlor and bet that Bush was re-elected. Would have won profit of almost 15k just in one night. Than I would've taken that extra 15k profit I just made, and would have regged 2,000 regfee names. That way I would have had the cake, ate it too, plus I would have had casted my net much farther than that crap.

But then again that's just me, and I realize we are not all the same

 

[Vivvy]

Any update on Innovations.com?

Innovations is a big guest management software program ... i was always surprised they didn't have their product domain name... and I'm wondering if they are the ones bidding it up...

Vivvy

 

[stuff]

Innovations is a big guest management software program ... i was always surprised they didn't have their product domain name... and I'm wondering if they are the ones bidding it up...

Vivvy

as far as I know there where 2 domaininvestors bidding on it.
Vaxis and mrsjello

 

[Vivvy]

eh... innovations has been years without it, they won't pick it up from a broker... but it sure would be worth developing...

Vivvy

 

[sasquatch]

Innovations is a big guest management software program ... i was always surprised they didn't have their product domain name... and I'm wondering if they are the ones bidding it up...

Vivvy

They are not the ones who were bidding it up, since they could have bought it for many time less that amount cpl years ago.

 

[mole]

Names are infinite commodities when one talks about branding value.

And if you were to think about onionbutt.com being sold for $4k as opposed to $6.95 for the smell of traffic potential, PPC potential and type-in potential, it becomes even more infinite.

When you think about growing gTLD namespace like .INFO and .BIZ, major ccTLDs like .DE, .US, .CN and zonaltlds like .EU, then what you get is infinity plus plus.

It is stupid to embark on such expensive acquisition exercises on the .COM namespace today. With search engines and vertical portals growing in sophistication, domain names aren't going to go up beyond what the developer is willing to pay, since good development can generate millions of uniques, as has been proven time and time again.

I think all this hype and brainwashing that has been going on in some quarters is creating its intended effect of spinning the cash wheel and optimism to buy for a while. But just like a soap bubble, things quickly implode back to water and dry up to nothing.

Value does not come from grabbing everything in sight, its about having a robust business plan, even if that plan means having just one domain.

 

[Theo]

I am in Florida. I made 40% profit upon selling my house 3 years later. Six months later, prices are a further 25% up. Yes, the real estate market (in Florida) is exploding.

 

[mike031]

not a lot of people can mess around with real estate.. it sounds so easy, buying and selling.. but its not'

also got to have a lot of money upfront if you are looking to turn in a decent profit (that is within a year, two or three) or be a developer, agent, broker.. workin within the field itself.. has to be a priority, like any business.. lots of hard work involved which does pay off really well

apts/condos have almost tripled value here close by manhattan and new jersey within the past 5 years... suburbs are booming.. prices keep going up and up'

florida is really nice, my fav place to vacation....most domainers are from fl and ny eh?

 

[actnow]

florida is really nice, my fav place to vacation....most domainers are from fl and ny eh?

Why do I always seem to compromise - half way between two points? :-D

 

[mike031]

..what two points?

Why do I always seem to compromise - half way between two points? :-D

 

[labrocca]

Real Estate in America is hoping. I myself sold my NYC house recently for $425,000....we bought it 7 years earlier for 180k. I use part of that money on domain work. It's part of my capital. Personally I don't want to be a landlord so I stay away from Real Estate as an investment. I also wonder how long this bubble will go for. I know many are optimistic about it but so were many about .com's in the 90s. I remember the loss of money all too well from that time. I would say domaining is a better investment at this time. The internet ain't gonna change too rapidly in the next 3-5 years so name investment could be worth it. In the past year I have seen more players enter the market and gotten bolder with bigger and bigger moves. Those that used to dabble a little are now bidding into the $x,xxx range. This includes me of course. I have hit $xx,xxx for sales on a single domain. I seriously think that at this rate...domains will just get very expensive and the ROI will get lower as the amount of competition increases. Whenever you have a market that just a few are making a killing at...eventually others will enter that market and "correct" it. In a year I think TLDs will be too expensive for most to dabble into. Of course my short experience with domaining could make everything I just said wrong.

btw-I moved to Las Vegas and the market here has really cooled off. Prices have gone down. The developers are forcing buyers to sign contracts saying they can't sell for 1 year and that we will be occupants. Lots of developers are pissed they can't sell houses because the investors have open properties to sell everywhere. On my block alone there are 6 houses for sale....empty houses. I am in contract to buy a house in August and I am just content with the deal I got. I was offered 70k in incentives.

 

[mole]

In a year I think TLDs will be too expensive for most to dabble into.

I think you forget that there are many players out there with incredible amounts of stockpiled domains begging to be bought as traffic yield comes down as more and more stringent fraud measures are put up by PPC suppliers.

instealthmode, for example, has over 30,000 names, BD as over 400,000 names, exclusivedomains has over 30,000 names.

Every new namespace that opens adds to this stockpile.

 

[Theo]

Now you know why the *real* big players, such as Elequa, have created their own portals and PPC engine affiliations. Being independent is the only way to succeed. You and me that rely on Sedo's whims to generate $$$ off the Google's monopoly, are not gonna make it far.