Petition to Get Rid of the Political Section

[Tia Wood]

Maybe at one point the political section served its purpose where forum members could discuss politics like respectable men and women. However, it has become nothing but a distraction, a source of stress, a cesspool and overall I feel it does far more harm to our community than good. Violation of rule #3 is running wild in this section: what message does that send?

In order to keep sending the clear message that DNF is a professional community who works together and takes pride in being the central place for domain discussion, I would like to have it removed or at least provided the ability to block this irrelevant section of our community.

I know there are others who feel the same and I will let them post below.

 

[Raider]

Let me translate so there is no misunderstanding.

Since your so good at translating, why don't you translate this for us?;

Do you guys hear that? That's the sound of the ignore list feature working so well. Sometimes that is all you have to do to get rid of forum trolls and live a more peaceful co-existence in the domain forums.

http://www.dnforum.com/f254/why-i-d...ection-anymore-thread-437996.html#post1949837

You resolved your problem on 11/09/2010 when you posted this.... You say it works so well and that your living a more "peaceful co-existence on the domain forums" And yet 2 months later you create this thread and post this;

it has become nothing but a distraction, a source of stress, a cesspool and overall I feel it does far more harm to our community than good.

2 posts that completely contradict one another.. Why don't you just come clean and tell us the REAL reason why you want it closed? Or did I do that already?

If I'm so wrong in my first post in regards to your motive, why don't you show me where I'm wrong rather than mocking me?...Is this the best you can do?

Why don't you explain to all of us why you went into my thread and did a drive-by trashing? I know I didn't provoke it, It must of been the subject matter that provoked it right?... My, how thin skinned you are.

I'll leave it up to our Forum members to visit the political threads and learn for themselves who the real instigators are.

As for your suggestions, I'd say the only one that has any merit is the "Turn off" feature... A feature where the user can block a section of the Forum together, That would be great!, and I'm all for that. But to make the suggestion of closing down a section just because you can handle it? that's were you lose it.

 

[tekz999]

We need DN Police and DN Judge.

 

[Raider]

What Doc Com is saying is that taking away a forum section does not silence our Freedom of Speech in the same sense that denying new sub forums does not silence our Freedom of Speech. If I wanted a sub-forum about dogs and the admin says no....that does not silence our Freedom of Speech.

This is nonsense... I don't agree with this at all.

Your comparing something that exists to something that does NOT exist. The two don't compare.

What it really comes down to is the MOTIVE behind closing down the section.. If the owner of this Forum came out and said he's closing down the section for reasons OTHER than what's being posted in that section, such as removing political traffic to his site, that would be another story. BUT that's not what were talking about here... You made it VERY clear as to the reasons why you want it removed;

READ AGAIN;

Maybe at one point the political section served its purpose where forum members could discuss politics like respectable men and women. However, it has become nothing but a distraction, a source of stress, a cesspool and overall I feel it does far more harm to our community than good. Violation of rule #3 is running wild in this section: what message does that send?

In order to keep sending the clear message that DNF is a professional community who works together and takes pride in being the central place for domain discussion, I would like to have it removed or at least provided the ability to block this irrelevant section of our community.

This is a request for CENSORSHIP and little else.

A request to silence FREE SPEECH.

 

[Raider]

We need DN Police and DN Judge.

If this were my Forum, you know what I'd would do?

I would send a private PM to each member who I know is causing the trouble, and I would expresss to them my desire to restore civility to the section and give them a warning, If they violate my warning, they would be banned for 30 days.

Basically, I would put them on notice... Many will say; "Well, we did that already and it didn't work" The reason it didn't work is because the punishment is not being enforced. If theirs no punishment or consequence for their actions, their naturally going to keep on doing it.

 

[Tia Wood]

If this were my Forum, you know what I'd would do?

I would send a private PM to each member who I know is causing the trouble, and I would expresss to them my desire to restore civility to the section and give them a warning, If they violate my warning, they would be banned for 30 days.

Basically, I would put them on notice... Many will say; "Well, we did that already and it didn't work" The reason it didn't work is because the punishment is not being enforced. If theirs no punishment or consequence for their actions, their naturally going to keep on doing it.

On this I completely agree on.

 

[Donald Aquilano]

If you get rid of the political section completely people will just use the another section. Better to keep it and just make sure it doesn't appear in the new posts. Make people look for it if thats what they choose.

 

[ukbackorder]

It's only the same handful of people that actually spill vile personal abuse whilst others try to have sensible debate. I'd rather they were just banned - there is absolutely no need for wishing members dead, calling people horrendous names, etc over forum comments.

 

[JEsports]

If you get rid of the political section completely people will just use the another section. Better to keep it and just make sure it doesn't appear in the new posts. Make people look for it if thats what they choose.

Just like this one bd77 .. same old "I'm right, I know everything .. bs" .. just a different forum section I am not impressed.

 

[ukbackorder]

If you actually search the posts of a couple of the worst offenders in that forum section you'll find that they rarely post outside of the politics or humor forums. Clearly they have no interest in domaining or anything constructive to add - makes you wonder why they're here..... Anyway looks like political posts have been removed from widgets and new posts etc - nice one mods. Leave the trolls in their room. It appears we don't have to worry about them coming out of it and now it's been soundproofed

 

[Tia Wood]

Anyway looks like political posts have been removed from widgets and new posts etc - nice one mods.

Can't speak for others but if that's true then it's good enough for me.

 

[ukbackorder]

Actually I was wrong - still there in the 'recent activity widget' on main page.

 

[draggar]

This thread is temporarily closed for some cleaning up - it will be re-opened shortly.

---------- Post added at 12:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:02 AM ----------

Sorry about the extended downtime (my office was invaded by uswers with PC issues) , this thread is opened back up but there may be more editing.

Please keep this on topic.

 

[tristanperry]

Keep it.

Give people choice.

I'm interested in politics, but know that when it comes to politics online, it's not worth getting involved in (IMO). I won't change my mind predicated on what I read on a MB, just as I won't change other people's minds.

Hence I choose not to visit the politics section.

Seems simple enough.

The OP says it herself: we're all men and women, capable of making choices. So if you like politics threads, participate in them. If you don't like politics threads, don't participate in them.

I honestly don't see how that's a difficult concept to understand. (Saying that in a general sense)

Perhaps giving people the choice to remove certain sections (politics, adult) from iSpy/newest posts is a sensible idea though.

 

[Gerry]

If it is kept (no reason it should be) it CAN NOT show up on the front page/landing page Recent Activity Widget.

When 5 of the 10 threads featured are heated debates having NOTHING to do with domains, it is enough to make anyone wonder what the hell is going on.

Even though I am involved in those threads, I think enough is enough. I don't care if those members want to whine and cry that I am being picked on, my side is being picked on, or what ever kind of BS line.

Amazingly, these same people want to claim freedom of speech when they are some of the first to complain about other members, what the other members post, and demand that those other member's comments be removed. You are asking to butter your bread on both sides while keeping your hands of the grease. You are asking the mods to enforce the unenforceable and to make a determination as to what is offensive and what is not. More importantly, you are asking the mods to moderate a section on a forum that has nothing to do with the forums' primary objective and purpose. There are legal issues to deal with, TM issues, member scams, non payment, members accounts being hijacked, sales threads gone crazy.

Why? Because that section has become the primary focus of a few members starting threads, reviving threads, and keeping the threads alive. If you were to look back at a few members and their started threads, or their posts, you will see that anything to do with domains/domaining amounts to a handful in the past two to three years.

 

[Theo]

I agree with Doc. And here's another reason: if you search for any thread from the Legal section, it does not come up in the results. And yet, political threads do.

So keep the political forum for what it's worth - an arena of constant headbutting - and take it off the updates list and the search results.

 

[kylewill]

This is nonsense... I don't agree with this at all.

Your comparing something that exists to something that does NOT exist. The two don't compare.

What it really comes down to is the MOTIVE behind closing down the section.. If the owner of this Forum came out and said he's closing down the section for reasons OTHER than what's being posted in that section, such as removing political traffic to his site, that would be another story. BUT that's not what were talking about here... You made it VERY clear as to the reasons why you want it removed;

READ AGAIN;



This is a request for CENSORSHIP and little else.

A request to silence FREE SPEECH.

Free speech does not apply here.

If you're basing your conclusions on United States law, then it is legal for you to post political thoughts in any forum on this website. This forum, being privately run, has every right to deny you access based on the terms they define.

It would violate this privately owned website's right to free speech/expression if they are not allowed to silence political discussion on their own website.

 

[ukbackorder]

Kyle don't feed the troll. It thrives in that one forum section (even it's rare visit outside of it's nest into this part of the grown-up forum merely resulted in rants and abuse) - of course it will claim censorship/freedom of speech etc EVEN THOUGH it posted earlier saying that if it ran the forum it would deny the very same to people like itself. Let it seethe until it explodes, preferably in another section or another forum - perhaps one that deals solely with politics/ranting/abuse and not a DOMAIN forum. Whatever happens it's plain to see that it has no interest in domains or anything domain-related to add to this site.

 

[kylewill]

Kyle don't feed the troll. It thrives in that one forum section - of course it will claim censorship/freedom of speech etc EVEN THOUGH it posted earlier saying that if it ran the forum it would deny the very same to people like itself. Let it seethe until it explodes, preferably in another section or another forum - perhaps one that deals solely with politics/ranting/abuse and not a DOMAIN forum. Whatever happens it's plain to see that it has no interest in domains or anything domain-related to add to this site.

I appreciate your opening statement and lawl'd, after spending much of the 90's trolling IRC. However, it is hard to resist the occasional Raider feed (I think it has been 2-3 years since my last attempt).

Regarding a solution to these off-topic forums...

In my opinion, off-topic forums are there for when on-topic discussions accidentally take a turn. I don't think it is appropriate for a users of a niche forum like DNForum, or Pet Forum, or Midget Porn Forum, to spend the majority of their time in off-topic discussion. I don't care if the person is a neo-con, socialist, mormon, or a secular humanist like myself.

Tell people that don't primarily contribute to this community's purpose to **** off.

 

[DC20]

I agree with Acro's original post. Aside from that, I never read that section but that is not why we are here....why is it here? We are here for domains, not B.S.

 

[Gerry]

For some, tinfoiler.com is a good alternative to DNforum.

Here are some of their top topics:

Diet Sodas are a Hoax
Constitution is so awesome, it cost taxpayers $1.1 million for the House to read it.
The TSA and Obama Ruined my Christmas.
It's Called Christmas! Not Kwanzaa or Whatever Mexicans Celebrate!
Gays Should Pay for AIDS Research - Their Gayness Caused It, Jesus Says So