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well, I read about 1/2 of this thread:

I guess I will keep my comments short. I have known Chris for about 1/2 a year now, I have trusted him with names and money many times and he has always come through. I have no doubt about his integrity.

I think Mr. Chadwick put Chris through a loop, and then Enom messed things up on their end too. I guess since Chris never bought the name, he doesnt lose anything, and if he pays back the $2000 than DCC doesnt lose either.

Obviously, this has been tricky for both members involved, as DCC is out a bunch of money (I would be pissed off too) and Chris was using good faith to help out and has now been thrown into this mix.

Hopefully, this will all be resolved quickly, and if any of my facts were wrong, its because my eyes cant tolarate reading 13 pages in 10 minutes, lol.
 

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Originally posted by toho
eNom just hijacking KS.com admin mail address.

http://domainstate.com/showthread.php3?s=&postid=82313#post82313

We can not buy good domains without risk.
Even we choose registrar carefully.
So Toho, to your knowledge, are eNom and NSI connected to each other?

If they are, that might help explain why eNom transferred Secretary.com to NetSol without so much as a whisper to Hal! And why they don't seem very interested in helping get to the bottom of all this.
 

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Hi WebCat

Originally posted by WebCat
So Toho, to your knowledge, are eNom and NSI connected to each other?

No. They are not connected each other but YES-MAN.

Yes ! sir.

But I do not know insider information.


Originally posted by WebCat
If they are, that might help explain why eNom transferred Secretary.com to NetSol without so much as a whisper to Hal! And why they don't seem very interested in helping get to the bottom of all this.

This is not right way.

Yes ! sir...:rolleyes:
 

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Yawn.

I'd like to see yall faces when it should turn out the domain was stolen by that lady that now owns the name.

As in "everything *she* told was a lie".

Not saying this is the case, but it could be.As so many things "could be" here.

From what has been posted here so far, i still can't see any proof that the domain was indeed stolen or if, by whom.

NSI is no court and they do and write all kinds of stuff all day long and have been involved themselves in a number of highly questionable actions in legal terms.

So i would take anything that NSI writes with a grain of salt.

Innocent til proven guilty should still be the way to handle those things.
 

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beatz squatted and squirted:

Yawn.

I'd like to see yall faces when it should turn out the domain was stolen by that lady that now owns the name.

As in "everything *she* told was a lie".

Not saying this is the case, but it could be.As so many things "could be" here.

From what has been posted here so far, i still can't see any proof that the domain was indeed stolen or if, by whom.

NSI is no court and they do and write all kinds of stuff all day long and have been involved themselves in a number of highly questionable actions in legal terms.

So i would take anything that NSI writes with a grain of salt.

Innocent til proven guilty should still be the way to handle those things.
++++++++++++

Are you damp?

What do you expect --Chadwick Horn in a video taped confession with the Pope as a witness?!
 

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i have good reason to suspect that Chadwick isn't his real name and that he is just using an alias; specifically, no parent would be that mean as to name their kid Chadwick. What the hell kind of name is that anyway.
 

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Oregon Lawmaker Has Web Site Hijacked

By Colin Fogarty

PORTLAND, OR 2003-11-17

A state lawmaker from Hillsboro says her own experience with identity theft has inspired her to sponsor a bill to fight Internet crime.

When she's not in the legislature, Hillsboro Republican Mary Gallegos has what she calls a hobby, web consulting.

She had been developing a site called secretary.com, described as an "online information service for administrative professionals". But someone using a fake ID stole the domain name and sold it to a pornographer in Rhode Island.

Gallegos says if her car were stolen, the perpetrator would be punished.

Mary Gallegos: "As far as I can tell nothing will happen to these characters, except that they will continue to get into deeper trouble and try more and more risky things."

Gallegos says she's looking into what the Oregon Legislature can do to crack down on identity theft.

She's also worried the person who hijacked her web site could crack into her finances too.

http://publicbroadcasting.net/opb/news/content/570193.html
 

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State Representative Mary Gallegos--District 29 _____

November 20, 2003
News Release:


Rep Gallegos Hit by Identity Theft, Vows Changes in Law

(Cornelius) “I knew identity theft was a big problem in Oregon, but I never realized the impact it has on victims until I became one,” said State Representative Mary Gallegos (R-Cornelius). Gallegos announced today that her identity was stolen by someone who committed Internet fraud and domain hijacking " The long legislative session took me away from my work for an extended period of time. One morning I found my web site contained pornographic material, checking further I learned it was no longer registered to me," said Representative Gallegos. "The bigger shock came when trying to correct the problem and report the theft, who do you call?”

For the past two months Gallegos has been trying to resolve the theft of an Internet domain name she held for 8 years; Secretary.com. Posing as the representative, the perpetrators faxed a copy of a driver’s license and forged her signature to change some contact information which allowed them to transfer the ownership. There may have been several perpetrators and their transactions crossed over at least four states and Canada. Eventually the domain was sold to someone for $8000 and they turned it into a pornographic website. Gallegos noted, “it’s hard to tell who’s-who on the Internet because anyone can hide behind an alias. A domain isn’t considered an asset like a car so it’s more difficult to get attention if it’s stolen.” Gallegos finally convinced Network Solutions, the registrar, to investigate and they assisted in the successful recovery of the domain name. The investigation led to the discovery of over 20 similar domain thefts by the same individuals using similar methods.

“Where do you turn when you have lost your small piece of real estate on the Internet?” said Gallegos. “I filed a report with federal authorities, but there’s lots of information, and the case is still pending. The Internet is a very big place. There are no internet police and domains are not considered tangible assets, you never real own them, you just hold the registration. If this had been my car, there would have been immediate action. With so many states and foreign countries involved in activities on the internet it’s far more complicated.”

There is an organization authorized to regulate domain name disputes called ICANN, however, it costs $2500 to begin the process. “Theft isn’t a dispute, it’s a crime. And we need to toughen our laws in Oregon to protect consumers from the ease of identity theft on the internet. I am working on several pieces of legislation which will tackle these difficult issues.”

Cornelius Police Chief Paul Rubenstein, who assisted Rep. Gallegos with reporting the incident to www.ifccfbi.gov explained, “This is a very frustrating crime for law enforcement officials to pursue because it’s so difficult to track the culprits. I am sorry about what happened to Representative Gallegos, but encouraged that she is resolved to change state law and provide more tools for law enforcement agencies in this area.” The FCC claims that in 2002 there were an estimated 700,000 cases of ID theft, and possibly as many as 10,000,000 victims of fraud, many of those involving the Internet in one way or the other.

It is unclear how many of her constituents were exposed to the pornographic content which temporarily replaced her website. “I want anyone who was offended by the phony website to know how sorry I am and that I share their distain for pornography. It shows how easy pornography can unexpectedly enter our lives.”

For more information contact Rep Gallegos at 503-329-4581 or [email protected]

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I now consider my "proof" offered, that title to the domain was no good.
 

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In my opinion, this lends credibility to the "stolen" theory, but it is still Mary "saying" the domain was stolen. Apparentlyhe only ones who can provide actual proof is Enom (since that's who allowed the original "stolen" transfer), and they don't seem to be cooperating.

As I read the internet archives, Secretary.com (the website) stopped working in February of 2003. Mary could have abandon the site and allowed the registration to lapse. People will sometimes go to extremes (like filing a false report) to avoid looking stupid.

Why aren't eNom and NetSol providing you with actual documentation? Why are they hiding their heads in the sand?

Yes, having this written about by a news source lends credibility, but in my opinion still does not function as "irrefutable proof" as you said you would provide.

Another problem is- you might not get any help from Mary, because according to the story she hates porn sites, and was apparently very upset that Secretary.com was directed at one.
 

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My case.

I requested documentation to eNom by mail 2 times.
But eNom still ignore my request.

Domain still on-hold and not under my control.

Even I did not receive any mail from NSI and right owner (if it was stolen)

eNom doing very strange action.
 

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Originally posted by toho
My case.

I requested documentation to eNom by mail 2 times.
But eNom still ignore my request.

Domain still on-hold and not under my control.

Even I did not receive any mail from NSI and right owner (if it was stolen)

eNom doing very strange action.
Yet, apparently they were completely willing to transfer Secretary.com with bad documentation the first time, then AGAIN with no documentation (that any of us have seen)!

Maybe it will take a lawsuit to force them to act responsibly.
 

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In my opinion, this lends credibility to the "stolen" theory, but it is still Mary "saying" the domain was stolen. Apparentlyhe only ones who can provide actual proof is Enom (since that's who allowed the original "stolen" transfer), and they don't seem to be cooperating.

As I read the internet archives, Secretary.com (the website) stopped working in February of 2003. Mary could have abandon the site and allowed the registration to lapse. People will sometimes go to extremes (like filing a false report) to avoid looking stupid.

Why isn't eNom and NetSol providing you with actual documentation? Why are they hiding their head in the sand?

Yes, having this written about by a news source lends credibility, but in my opinion still does not function as "irrefutable proof" as you said you would provide.

Another problem is- you might not get any help from Mary, because according to the story she hates porn sites, and was apparently very upset that Secretary.com was directed at one.
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Wrong.

Mary did not simply 'say' the domain was stolen. She reported it to the FBI and the police and she issued an official press release from her office. She also persuaded Network Solutions.

The proof is irrefutable for the purposes of triggering the civil indemnification that Chris promised me; this is not a death penalty criminal case that I am prosecuting.

Mary alleged that documents were forged, and NSI confirmed that the alleged perpetrator stole other domain names as well.

Chris, it is time to make me whole ASAP! Do I need to re-print all the many promises for speedy restitution?
 

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Originally posted by DotComCowboy
Mary did not simply 'say' the domain was stolen. She reported it to the FBI and the police and she issued an official press release from her office. She also persuaded Network Solutions.
Hal, it's just my opinion, but none of those thing makes something true. People have reported alien abductions to the FBI as well.

I believe there's a concept in civil law called "a preponderance of evidence", meaning an overwhelming amount pointing in one direction. Again, my opinion only, but this does contribute to a "preponderance of evidence".

In the meantime, it sure would be nice to get some actual facts from eNom and NSI!
 
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