[secretary.com] stolen domain

[DaddyHalbucks]

I respect your opinions Izopod

But contrary to what you said, I am not taking this lightly at all.

I have done what I can, aside from paying other persons debts.
I am not being passive.
I think it's apparent from this and other threads the number of hours I’ve devoted to this.

This is a very serious issue, and I’m waiting on responses from other parties.

I said from the start because I felt I was ethically bound to get Hal’s money back I started to make things right.

I'm just very disappointed in Hal’s actions Threatening me privately and publicly, I can understand his distress, and empathize fully But his direct threats and "bullying" to me and my family is just unacceptable, Despite all this I have been trying my best to get DCC's case resolved. the patients here is clearly one sided.

There is only so much I can do with no co-operation from either side.

If I have anything to say about it, Hal will not be out 2K I will not stop trying to fix this for him, but he has to understand that this isn't something that can be fixed with him sitting on his thumbs.


The emails and phone numbers were a sign that Hal will now have to do something for himself.

I am only human, and not a super being.
And can only do with what I have available.
Harold has to take responsibility here. Trying to pass it off HIS problems someone else, is not the answer.

Everything was done in good faith. Unfortunately Hal want the sun and moon handed to him on a silver platter along with a side of caviar and gravy.
And when he doesn’t get his way he goes on a public rant.

Also It is very hard for me, as a third party not recognized by registrars as a participant, to get any information.

In conclusion, I’m not sure what more I can do, I will continue to be as diligent as I have been but it’s very hard to help those who won’t help themselves.
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Chris,

You fronted for the deal.

You guaranteed the deal was kosher, privately and publically.

My money was paid to YOU.

Redefining the transaction in new way to try to minimize your responsibility and to pass the buck to Chadwick or whomever is totally unacceptable.

I will authorize the registrars to release of any information to you, whatever you need.

I have not 'ranted' nor have I 'bullied' you nor have I harassed your family. That is all a bunch of BULL.

A fraud was committed, and I have every right to get the facts in the sun light. I am sorry if that bothers you, but you drive it.

Your reputation on DNF is quickly turning to MUD, not because of anything I have done, but because of what YOU are doing, or more properly, NOT doing.

As promised, tomorrow I will begin to contact law enforcement. To avoid the intervention of the police, you need to contact me TODAY to make immediate restitution plans.

My phone number is 401-682-2840.

Sincerely,
Hal Meyer

 

[cjmacd]

" And this points to an inconsistency in the position of Chris and his friend. If the seller believes the registration was legitimate, then one would expect him to (a) suspect that Cowboy really sold the name and is making this all up, and (b) demand the continued installment payments. If the seller is waiving receipt of the balance of payments as a courtesy, that is one thing. But if the question never came up, then it does not reflect well on what we can infer about the seller's knowledge. "

One could expect me to do a lot of things, (a) I wouldn't suspect that of Hal, I considered him a friend and still do. I have done many deals with him I have no reason to suspect something like that fellow domainer, (b) demand the continued installment payments - I’m demanding nothing but information. and honestly decisions on whether a payment is to be made or denied is not mine. I'm waiting for a reply from chad as it is his money.
Payments to or from aren't questions that can be answered until all the facts are available.

Hal, if you feel law enforcement will be able to accomplish more,
Then feel free to proceed, I am not trying to hide nor deceive you in this matter.
I acted in good faith based on my past dealings with Chad and with you. I will continue to do all in my power to make sure this is resolved.

Thank you
Chris

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

I acted in good faith based on my past dealings with Chad and with you.
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Perhaps you do not know the meaning of 'good faith.'

If you do, you need to make me whole, immediately, in accordance with your private and public guarantees.

 

[Spider]

Hal, you keep saying the same thing over and over again. He suggested you get law enforcement if you think it will help, if you do, get them. It would take care of this situation a lot quicker if they even bother with looking at it. I believe chad is also a member here at this forum, has anyone called him instead of emailing and PMing? If he was made aware of this many days ago and has yet to come forward with a statement then I believe he was aware of the stolen domain and thus the reason for the low price tag.

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by cjmacd
I'm waiting for a reply from chad as it is his money.
Payments to or from aren't questions that can be answered until all the facts are available.

Here is what you need to do: Don't wait. If you've done as many deals with chad as you've indicated it would seem that his reply to you wouldn't be this long.

DNF is not a toy, nor are it's senior members. This is a very huge "trading" system. It works because we all try to complete transactions in a timely, safe, manner. If anything goes wrong, you must correct the problem immediately. We expect nothing less from our senior members.

If we have senior members that aren't providing immediate responses or solutions to another members problems----then we all have a problem. That is why I am being very firm with you Chris. Writing long responses how Hal shouldn't have not posted this debacle on this board isn't going to help you. He did the right thing as far as bringing this to the attention of the DNF community. As far as anything else he did, I cannot speak to that.

Bottomline: Correct the situation immediately.... Our trading system, and the faith we have in this system is squarely on the line... I would hate to have to start paying Escrow fees on $500 names, purchased from other "long time" senior members!!!

izopod

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

I believe chad is also a member here at this forum, has anyone called him instead of emailing and PMing? If he was made aware of this many days ago and has yet to come forward with a statement then I believe he was aware of the stolen domain and thus the reason for the low price tag.
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I have had no contact with this Chad person because my relationship was with Chris. Chris brought me the deal. Chris told me he and his 'partner' had a domain. Chris guaranteed it. And Christ accepted the money. Chris fronted for it. Chris needs to make good.

 

[GeorgeK]

Originally posted by jberryhill
[BThat is a relevant data point. Creation dates are not always reliable, but at least this is some kind of objective fact. Did NSI re-set the creation date when they took the name back? Another thing that date indicates is, if the domain name were renewed in two year intervals since that date, then it would have been ripe to drop in... early October of 2003.
[/B]

The Creation Date I mentioned came from the Registry WHOIS at www.internic.net which is authoritative for .com/net. It doesn't suffer from the issues where NSI Registrar plays around with their registrar WHOIS creation date.

BTW, apparently NSI is in the process of fixing all the creation dates that had been messed up last year. But, that's the "registrar" WHOIS, which doesn't really matter. Only the registry WHOIS should be relied upon (this became an issue in the UDRP case of Diablo.com, if you recall, although the registrant is to blame for not making a Response).

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

Chris wrote:

I acted as a BROKER and an escrow service between the two parties;
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So you say you were acting in a fiduciary (trust) capacity?

OK, who is your insurance company?

 

[LewR]

Originally posted by jberryhill

So, that is why I addressed this as a "risk of loss" problem, not a "theft" problem.

Thanks for clearing that up, your post makes much more sense now. (You need to type s-l-o-w-l-y for some of us...LOL)

 

[jberryhill]

"The Creation Date I mentioned came from the Registry WHOIS"

Ah. Good point.

Chris, if (a) you did this as haphazardly as it appears, (b) Chad, or his mom, has not coughed up an explanation of how he came to have control over this name, (c) you initially represented to be Chad's "partner", and (d) you received Hal's money as a result of your willingness to "vouch for" Chad, then the lady in my avatar might start thinking about putting down the scales and reaching for the sword.

That blind bitch carries a blade.

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

e) Chris promised publically to provide written documentation to establish clear title which was never produced as promised

f) Chris later said he was an escrow company, but failed to provide standard escrow services such as insurance to cover a loss

g) Moderator Izopod seems to confirm above that board protocol was seriously breached and that the integrity of the DNF marketplace is at risk

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by DotComCowboy

g) Moderator Izopod seems to confirm above that board protocol was seriously breached and that the integrity of the DNF marketplace is at risk

Actually I am not a moderator. (just for the record)

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

Izopod,

Thanks. Sorry for my mistake.

 

[ReignDomain]

If Namepopper was here, I bet he would have resolved this already.

 

[NameTower]

I can't understand why this has even happened. If in fact the domain was stolen the seller MUST fully conpensate Hal. If Chris was the broker he would be responsible for this therefore I see why Hal is asking to deal with him only. He was obviously paid for his services and therefore is responsible for any problems that happened with his transaction. However he should just be arranging for hal's money to be paid back. The seller should compensate him. I cannot believe that this is going on INSIDE DNF. A private trusted domain name community where I sell my names everyday and I see this? We need this sorted out and if there was any domains being stolen and this is not just one of those uniformed domain owners who did not renew their domain and expect that they still own it after it expires then I would like to DNF to get to the bottom of this and criminal action to be taken against the person who stole the domain.

i hope this was all a big mistake however this cannot be left alone.

Hal needs to be refunded!

Lets see some action here guys.

Thanks!

 

[izopod]

Whatever we need to do to make this thread "sticky", let's make it happen.

 

[WebCat]

I've stayed out of this till now, but here goes....

WebCat's analysis:

The MOST important question is: "Was this domain stolen, or not?"

If I was cjmacd , I would be holding my "friend" Chad's feet to the fire BIG TIME, banging on his door, doing whatever I could, to get an ANSWER!

How did "Chad" get control of the domain?

If he stole it, he (and cjmacd) are in BIG trouble, and definitely owe Hal a refund, a HUGE apology, and might be answering a few question from some people with badges.

HOWEVER........

If the domain was NOT stolen, and was in fact acquired in a drop or other legitimate transaction, then THIS sale was also legitimate, and Hal's only beef is with eNom, NSI and the Oregon lady.

That would mean cjmacd, and Chad are not only in the clear, THEY are owed an apology, as well as $6,000.00. What eNom and/or NSI do is NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY!

So....... WHERE THE HELL IS "CHAD"???

Isn't it interesting that (just like in a few other disputes) that the ONE PERSON who can shed the most light on this is mysteriously missing from the debate?

WHERE IS "CHAD"?? Does he even exist? cjmacd??

Just a humble Cat's (non-legal) analysis!
WebCat

 

[cjmacd]

Originally posted by WebCat
I've stayed out of this till now, but here goes....

WebCat's analysis:

The MOST important question is: "Was this domain stolen, or not?"

If I was cjmacd , I would be holding my "friend" Chad's feet to the fire BIG TIME, banging on his door, doing whatever I could, to get an ANSWER!

How did "Chad" get control of the domain?

If he stole it, he (and cjmacd) are in BIG trouble, and definitely owe Hal a refund, a HUGE apology, and might be answering a few question from some people with badges.

HOWEVER........

If the domain was NOT stolen, and was in fact acquired in a drop or other legitimate transaction, then THIS sale was also legitimate, and Hal's only beef is with eNom, NSI and the Oregon lady.

That would mean cjmacd, and Chad are not only in the clear, THEY are owed an apology, as well as $6,000.00. What eNom and/or NSI do is NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY!

So....... WHERE THE HELL IS "CHAD"???

Isn't it interesting that (just like in a few other disputes) that the ONE PERSON who can shed the most light on this is mysteriously missing from the debate?

WHERE IS "CHAD"?? Does he even exist? cjmacd??

Just a humble Cat's (non-legal) analysis!
WebCat

yes he does exist, and is the one that has to answer to this and those above questions need to be answered.
Chadwick has been non responsive to repeated attempts to get a hold of him, and seeing that his main number is now disconnected, puts me in a terrible situation, so the authorities are being contacted in KY to get him out and answer these problems. his feet are over the fire, and it currently does not look good for him. I’m doing everything in my power get this resolved. this public outcry is doing nothing but hindering the case.

I empathize with Hal and only ask that he is patient until all the facts present themselves.

like I said before I can't answer those questions I was never the owner of secretary.com, all I did was relay the information given to me which at the time looked very credible.

Hal I am not your enemy here, I’m doing the best with what I have to fix this entire thing for you, your personal crusade to persecute based on assumptions. I’ve done nothing but show good faith, and a lot of patients during this entire process.

All I can do is continuing working diligently on behalf of you. I said I would keep doing that. There is no need for "stalling" like you so aggressively put.

the bottom line Chadwick is the one to answer these questions because he was the Owner of secretary.com and the proper authorities are being notified to get him to tell his side of the story.

Hal all I ask is that you are patient; I’m doing the best I can.

I am not lying to you nor did I ever I’ve been straight forward with you every step of the way. All I ask is that you please work with me in getting your / my / everyone’s problem resolved.

Like I said before if you feel that you need to call the authorities I fully support that and will cooperate fully with them to the best of my ability. I have nothing to hide and only information to gain from that.
And it's that information that is going to solve this case once and for all.
Thanks
-Chris

 

[Anthony Ng]

Originally posted by ReignDomain
If Namepopper was here, I bet he would have resolved this already.

"If ________ was here, I bet he would have resolved this already."

Can I borrow this line? Looks good for ANY context.

 

[Fearless]

In this case, contract or no contract, doesn't matter. The process to enforce a contract would cost more than $2,000.00 in time and money and you still would probably end up with nothing but more loses.

I bought a name on Ebay using Paypal for $800.00. The guy never transferred the name. He pulled all the money out of his Paypal so Paypal couldn't refund. The police say it's a civil matter and won't do anything.

Unfortunately this may end up as the cost of doing business for Cowboy. :-(