The dotname King

Originally posted by NameBox


Fairly cynical attitude at play here.

If there were money in unlawfal practices like child porn, etc., or misdirecting legitimate sites, possibly surfed to innocently by school children, to porn sites, would you still say "show me the money" ...

Surely there has to be some restraint on the "Free Market" ... or we'll all descend into a living hell .....

If porn vendors are willing to accept the money, they shouldn't hide behind false WHOIS information or offshore shells ... stand up and be counted at least!

I think you are taking this all too seriously. Instead of playing cyber-Spiderman, please refrain from quoting my posts alongside illegal activities which I do not participate in nor do I condone.

As far as the "show me the money" statement goes, it's meant to show that the Internet is and shall remain COMMERCIAL and any attempts to misrepresent its course as an ex-military and educational-to-be network are complete BS. The driving force is money.

 

[mike]

OK Timechange.

 

Oh come on. Give Snoopy and the Peanuts a break

 

Originally posted by mike
It sounds crazy to whom, Snoopy?

You don't even identify yourself or even any domains you own! Hmmm... Why is that? What is the big secret? Are you like 12 years old or something? Is that why you hide behind such a childish alias?

mike, I don't post domains here because I don't want posts here with references to my domains being spidered by search engines. Firstly its not good for UDRP defences to be traceable to sites relating to trading in domain names - like it or not thats how it is. Secondly I don't sell domains (rarely anyway) so I have no reason to promote domains here.

However most people here know who I am, they know my sites, and I've bought names from people here, you can easily come into the chatroom if you have doubts.

I think my comments regarding buydomains and ultsearch are fair, ultsearch for one has been the drop leader for many years and I've never seen anything to suggest that he's anything other than very legitimate. I'd say he's possibly the most respected (and successful) person in this industry.

So if you have some information to back up your statements about ultsearch/buydomains post it up.

 

[mike]

Originally posted by snoopy


This sounds crazy to me, just because they are sucessful should not imply that they have acted illegally in any way. Being the best is not a crime.

And are you sure about buydomains being icann accredited? I thought they were using domaindiscover?

Fine, sounds like you have your reasons for not identifying yourself. I can understand being a bit paranoid in the current environment.

Above though, you erroneously extrapolate that I am implying they are doing something illegal.

Since I do identify myself, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't put words in my mouth.

What I am asking Ben is whether they are playing by the rules as set out by ICANN for ICANN registrars. I think buydomains.com is their own registrar. That's my impression. I have dozens of names regged thru them myself. I am not sure what their affiliation with domaindiscover.com is though.

 

Mike,

you state the need for an "anti-trust investigation by the U.S. Justice department" is that not implying illegality?

Regarding buydomains they are reselling domaindiscover registrations, just like many here resell enom and dotster names.

Buydomains are not icann accredited.

 

[Nic]

wait ....
Are the moderators fight now ?

 

[David G]

Originally posted by snoopy This sounds crazy to me, just because they are sucessful should not imply that they have acted illegally in any way. Being the best is not a crime. And are you sure about buydomains being icann accredited? I thought they were using domaindiscover?

Yes, BuyDomains seems to grab almost all names lately, even the marginal ones. They have been grabbing my drops so much I am wondering how stupid I am in letting some drop, perhaps better names than I thought.

Many of my recent drops they grabbed, even a few .nets where I let the .net drop because myself or someone else owned the other extension.

I am getting so worried about BuyDomains reg'ing my names that I owned for the prior 2-yrs that I am almost afraid to let any more expire!

No, they are not ICANN Accredited. They are an affiliate of accredited Domain Discover and normally reg their names under the user name 'Rare Names.'

They must have well over 100,000 names owned now, perhaps near 150,000. They also seem to grab my names (and others) 12 to 24 hrs before they hit the expired domains lists, making the expired lists of little value. Anyone know how do they do it?

 

[mike]

Originally posted by snoopy
Mike,

you state the need for an "anti-trust investigation by the U.S. Justice department" is that not implying illegality?

No. It might be taken that way by someone, out of context, as you have presented it though.

At the most I am 'implying' an 'anti-trust investigation' might be warranted into 'improprieties' of Verisign, Register.com, WIPO and the ICANN registrars.

Again, I ask you to stop inferring what it is that you think I am trying to say, instead of what I actually say.

 

Originally posted by mike


No. It might be taken that way by someone, out of context, as you have presented it though.

At the most I am 'implying' an 'anti-trust investigation' might be warranted into 'improprieties' of Verisign, Register.com, WIPO and the ICANN registrars.

Again, I ask you to stop inferring what it is that you think I am trying to say, instead of what I actually say.

this is getting silly, your orginal post stated,

"Sure Ben, I can point you to two existing reference points on this subject.

The first would be BuyDomains.com, an ICANN registrar. They have accumulated somewhere around 100,000 domains now Ben, a large percentage from drops. They scoop them up for themselves and register alot of the most valuable names under the name 'Rare Names.'

The second entity I would investigate is Ultimate Search. I don't know how many names they have but it certainly is in the tens of thousands. They seem to have access to expired names beore anyone else does. There is something 'fishy' with them too.

Go get em tiger!"


a post which you later chaged to,

"I'd like to see an anti-trust investigation by the U.S. Justice department or at least the Department of Commerce of known URL hogs.
Everybody in the domain reseller and development community knows who they are."

I'll leave it at that,

 

[mike]

Originally posted by RealNames


Yes, BuyDomains seems to grab almost all names lately, even the marginal ones. They have been grabbing my drops so much I am wondering how stupid I am in letting some drop, perhaps better names than I thought.

Many of my recent drops they grabbed, even a few .nets where I let the .net drop because myself or someone else owned the other extension.

I am getting so worried about BuyDomains reg'ing my names that I owned for the prior 2-yrs that I am almost afraid to let any more expire!

No, they are not ICANN Accredited. They are an affiliate of accredited Domain Discover and normally reg their names under the user name 'Rare Names.'

They must have well over 100,000 names owned now, perhaps near 150,000. They also seem to grab my names (and others) 12 to 24 hrs before they hit the expired domains lists, making the expired lists of little value. Anyone know how do they do it?

It gets worse RealNames. I found out the hard way they have no grace period anymore whatsoever.

Just last week I went to pay for several good reregistrations that had expired just 2 and 3 days before, figuring I had plenty of time, at least a thirty day grace period.

But no, BD had already regged them under 'Rare Names' and have "Request Price" pages up already. And I am what would be considered a good regular paying customers for going on three years now. I feel so screwed by them for doing that to me when all I do is pay them all the time.

So yes, there it is, I admit it, I have an axe to grind with them. A very legitimate one I feel.

 

Remember that there is no ICANN requirement for a grace period. If you expected one and you lost a domain over it I'm sorry, but you did let it expire after all - which means that your registrar paid ICANN the automatic renewal, and they effectively owned the domain at that point. The fact that they did not extend this credit to you is too bad - but not illegal.

-t

 

[mike]

Snoopy, I am going to try this one more time. My Support of an investigation to see that registars are obeying the rules does not 'imply' any illegality on their part. I'll leave it at that.

 

[mike]

Originally posted by thewitt
Remember that there is no ICANN requirement for a grace period.

>>>ICANN SCHMICANN. So what, As a regular paying customer, I expect the courtesy of a reasonable grace period from a registrar.

If you expected one and you lost a domain over it I'm sorry, but you did let it expire after all - which means that your registrar paid ICANN the automatic renewal, and they effectively owned the domain at that point.

>>> They could have just put it on hold for 30 days without paying anybody for it. After which, they could then let it drop or register it themselves.


The fact that they did not extend this credit to you is too bad - but not illegal.

>>> TheWitt, I am alleging a callous disregard for their customers by not having a grace period, not illegalities. After all, every other registrar has some sort of grace period, don't they?

 

I will give you one hint: scour the "soon to drop" and "on hold" lists. You will be surprised.

 

[mike]

Okay Time. I'll check them out some more. Recently, I've put snaps on numerous names only to have the usual suspects grab them before snapnames. It's discouraging and alot of work down the drain.

 

Here mike, a freebie:

chaperone.net