Third Party Reverse-Hijacking via C&D?

[fredlucas]

We received a C&D on a name that is a misspelling of a generic term. The generic term also has a website on it (think of something like drugstre.com).

The C&D was sent by a company named TMSecure (see TMSecure.net). TMSecure's website looks legit at first blush, but there were several things that suggest otherwise:

- Their banner is copied from here:
http://www.cscprotectsbrands.com/

- Their rotating client list is copied from here:
http://www.citizenhawk.com

- Their TradeMark Insight logo was copied from here:
http://www.adgooroo.com

- Their domain was registered on Dec 8.

- Their email originated from a comcast.net IP in PA, while the company is HQ'd in FL. The lawyer that supposedly signed the email is based in Vancouver at a different firm and doesn't focus on anything related to TMs.

Has anyone else seen anything similar? Would you agree that I'm pretty safe ignoring this (I'm pretty comfortable that I'd win legal proceedings, but I don't want to disadvantage those by making an early mistake)?

 

[BostonDomainer]

Well yesterday I was reading a post of something sort of related. Someone on here was contacting TM owners telling them that they are protecting there brand. Then they'd go try to buy or threaten the mark away from current domainer then negotiate with the company.

If I received the email from the people you mentioned- I would simply ignore it. It personally wreaks of scam to me and wouldn't be surprise if it was the same person that's been doing perpetrating this lately.

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

I havent looked too deep but off the top it does look rather odd , how can you have a client list that long than claim corp status within the last 6 months, rip off other sites banners etc?

Any way when you look at whois on tmsecure.net you find...

Reverse IP: 15 other sites hosted on this server.

So looking at each name one at a time reveals...

Some are .ca's...

ALL names share this common bond while addresses switch between US ( Florida ) and CAD ( Ontario ) in some cases...

"sitevestors" owns about 332 other domains http://www.sitevestors.com/
blair russell ( US&CAD addresses )

as well as

Dan Garneau ( CAD addresses )


Now it could be tmsecure.net has nothing to do with these two gentlemen, just looking at all 15 on reverse IP. Since Tmsecure claims FL location it would be quite the coincidence though but hey not 100% sure.


Found Blair Russell on the forums, here is a link to a namepros thread...

http://74.125.95.132/[email protected]&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ca

Ok this pretty much does it, read this thread...

http://www.dnforum.com/f26/dnrecover-com-scam-thread-286384.html

Also here is a pic of Blair again stating Toronto location.

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=5718192

Looks like it's history repeating itself, same players and all. Not sure if John Berryhill knows any more on the case or if any action was taken.

They mention member here at dnf Pharoah, http://www.dnforum.com/member-pharaoh.html , I know I exchanged some emails and PM's with him and he seemed to truly be in Toronto, wonder if he is Blair Russell/siteinvestor. At any rate its safe to say you can ignore this email Fred lol

The icing on the cake Fred was the tmsecure.net and DNrecover.com ( see link above ) names both share the same address ...

DNRecover.com, Inc.
DNRecover Customer Service ([email protected])
One Biscayne Tower
Two South Biscayne Blvd
Miami
Florida,33131
US
Tel. +1.3053966386

TMSecure, Inc.
TMSecure, Inc. ()
One Biscayne Tower, Suite 1377
Two South Biscayne Blvd.
Miami
Florida,33131
US
Tel. +1.3057108377


On a side note you would think there is a crime here.

 

[katherine]

Somebody reported the same issue at NP.
I think it's a sham.
Telltale sign #1: their domain is a fresh reg.
No phone number listed on their website.
Also, their site seems to be a rip of http://www.cscprotectsbrands.com/

JP must be right: it's the same person again.

 

[jberryhill]

Not sure if John Berryhill knows any more on the case or if any action was taken.

The torchbearing mob seemed to have settled down after the DNRecover operation ceased.

I agree that tmsecure.net appears to be a clone of DNRecover.

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

The torchbearing mob seemed to have settled down after the DNRecover operation ceased.

I agree that tmsecure.net appears to be a clone of DNRecover.

Thank you John, the fact it takes resources and a willing motivated pursuit means an old dog will continue with he same tricks unfortunately.

 

[Theo]

The torchbearing mob seemed to have settled down after the DNRecover operation ceased.

I agree that tmsecure.net appears to be a clone of DNRecover.

John, could you please provide your thoughts on this thread as well?

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

John, could you please provide your thoughts on this thread as well?

I paid John $500 to reply to this one so... :lol:

 

[fredlucas]

JP, Really awesome detective work.

Quite impressive - they definitely put some time into their site. I wouldn't be surprised if several domainers fell to their C&D threats in the past. Hopefully it is less likely this time around.

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

JP, Really awesome detective work.

Quite impressive - they definitely put some time into their site. I wouldn't be surprised if several domainers fell to their C&D threats in the past. Hopefully it is less likely this time around.

The more I think of it user Pharoah always had decent TM names for sale, sure hope they were not names that he scammed. Would be bold to offer them on the forum though so maybe not.

 

[britishbulldog]

Well JP you are living to your "Legendary" status ;-)

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

Well JP you are living to your "Legendary" status ;-)

Careful Acro is reading this thread too and he is jealous of my tights

 

[Shaggy]

Careful, it seems they are still at it. I just received on today. Glad I came to my good ole trust domain forum and found this thread. So its all a scam then?

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

I would still say yes

 

[Shaggy]

Thanks again JP!

I know this is a year old posts, but I am glad I bumped it if they are still at it so others don't get tricked into it.