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[Rubber Duck]

Presumably, by that logic, snow blindness is an affliction of desert dwellers?

Most of Google's income comes from the US, CA and UK, so yes. How did they become such a powerhouse in only 8 years? Chinese traffic?

IDN domains might start to attract some traffic, but on a visitor-for-visitor basis, you'll make a lot less money from it. Why? GDP per capita. Advertisers have to convert those clicks to sales, and there is less likelyhood in low income countries.

Anyway, I'm not gonna waste more time arguing the toss. Good luck with it.

Having followed Googles progress very closely over the last year, it is apparent they have made big in road in many parts of Asia.

Japan is the exception at the moment, but actually clicks from Japan are typically a lot more than from the US.

Yes GDP per capita is an issue, but the perception is hugely distorted by the exchange rates of key economies which have already been identified as being far too low. With some of these economies having population 3 to 4 times the size of the US, and double digit growth rates, which are probably substantial underestimates, it won't take them long to catch a moribund US.

It is easy to dismiss the Chinese economy, but it is only Chinese finance that is keeping the US afloat at the moment. Russian and Arab Countries are also easily dismissed, but since the price of crude has increased 5 times in recent years, some Middle Eastern economies will start to assert themselves again soon. You only need to go to Dubai and look for a US parallel, and you will see how out moded your thinking really is.

Anyway traffic will start to come on stream next month. The quality of domains being held in many portfolios will more than offset modest PPC in the short-term.

 

[Beachie]

One of my sites, which renders fine in IE6 and FF doesn't work in IE7 - something to do with a <div> width I think. Isn't IE7 meant to be backward compatible?

 

[Theo]

I refuse to use that bloated pig, IE7, for my surfing. I only review sites with IE6 when I design them and have to to ensure compatibility.

When I switched to Firefox and Opera, there is no turning back.

 

[David G]

5) The "Home" button is stupidly tiny - I probably use that button every 30 seconds, 12 hours a day. Yes, it's possible to use large icons, but with all the added fat of the toolbars I lose about 25% of my screen height.

Agree, that is the most important button on the screen for me. I am guessing I use it every 30 seconds too all day (my home page is set to my website where all my domains and websites are listed with url links) so I will not be upgrading to IE7 if it's so small using standard icon sizes (I hate the large icons).

 

[katherine]

Most alternate browsers are already IDN-enabled and have been for years actually. It's true that their market share is still limited but growing (in Germany FF has about 25%).
microsoft is the laggard here, not the innovator.

In all honesty I don't think that the release of ie will make a big difference for IDN all of a sudden.
I actually predict that ie will continue to lose market share.
IDN may succeed or not, at least in certain parts of the world like the Far East. But the outcome does not depend on the client browser alone.
Compliant mail servers are equally important. What's the point of owning a domain name if you can't be reached by E-mail (putting myself in the shoes of an end user, not a domainer just looking for traffic IDNs).

 

[Rubber Duck]

Most alternate browsers are already IDN-enabled and have been for years actually. It's true that their market share is still limited but growing (in Germany FF has about 25%).
microsoft is the laggard here, not the innovator.

In all honesty I don't think that the release of ie will make a big difference for IDN all of a sudden.
I actually predict that ie will continue to lose market share.
IDN may succeed or not, at least in certain parts of the world like the Far East. But the outcome does not depend on the client browser alone.
Compliant mail servers are equally important. What's the point of owning a domain name if you can't be reached by E-mail (putting myself in the shoes of an end user, not a domainer just looking for traffic IDNs).

Agreed all alternatives are IDN capable. Microsoft has been incredibly intransigent in not providing IDN support.

Yes, people have made a big fuss of the Germans over their Umblats. Even Sedo has supported these for years. The truth is that important markets have been totally neglected. Firefox just about doesn't exist in Asia where the biggest potential for IDN exists. Already China CNNIC is making twice as much revenue out of IDN as it is ASCII, largely because it is able to charge over 6 times as much for each domain. This recent boom has been attributed to the up coming release of IE7.

Whilst to date those in the West have had the luxury of interminably debating the merits of various browsers, much of the World has even been provided with the basic functionality of a browser with a template in the Users own language that can resolve Internet Address that are reasonably legible to the user. IE7 is really the first attempt to deliver this on a global scale which is why it is so important. By January you will be able to surf the Internet in using an Azeri interface and domain names in Azeri, or Tamil if you prefer. When will Mozilla deliver on this and have a significant enough share of the market? Well basically sometime never. IE7 by contrast will by Automatic Update largely have supplanted the decrepid IE6 and will be the de facto standard world wide. Like it or lump it you are going to have to get used to it.

 

[cursal]

And IE7 starts its troubles....

First security vulnerability in IE7

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/20/ie7_flaw_dispute/

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[katherine]

... By January you will be able to surf the Internet in using an Azeri interface and domain names in Azeri, or Tamil if you prefer. When will Mozilla deliver on this and have a significant enough share of the market? Well basically sometime never. IE7 by contrast will by Automatic Update largely have supplanted the decrepid IE6 and will be the de facto standard world wide. Like it or lump it you are going to have to get used to it.

Dave it seems ie is not available in a lot of languages:

Internet Explorer 7 RC1 (a pre-release version of Internet Explorer 7) is now available in Arabic, Finnish, German, Japanese, and Spanish. To download Internet Explorer 7 RC1 in one of these languages, visit a worldwide download page:

However there are more languages available for the previous version: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie6/worldwide/ie6sp1downloads.mspx
I don't see Azeri or Tamil though.

By contrast Opera is available in the following languages:

Bulgarian 9.00 9.01 9.02
Czech 9.00 9.01 9.02
Chinese Simplified 9.00 9.01 9.02
Chinese Traditional 9.00 9.01 9.02
Croatian 9.00 9.01 9.02
Danish 9.00 9.01 9.02
Dutch 9.00 9.01 9.02
English (UK) 9.01 9.02
English (US) 9.00 9.01 9.02
Finnish 9.00 9.01 9.02
French 9.00 9.01 9.02
French (Canadian) 9.00 9.01 9.02
Frisian 9.00 9.01 9.02
Georgian 9.00 9.01 9.02
German 9.00 9.01 9.02
Greek 9.01 9.02
Hindi
Hungarian 9.00 9.01 9.02
Italian 9.00 9.01 9.02
Japanese 9.00 9.01 9.02
Korean 9.00 9.01 9.02
Lithuanian 9.00 9.01 9.02
Norwegian (nynorsk) 9.00 9.01 9.02
Norwegian (bokmål) 9.00 9.01 9.02
Polish 9.00 9.01 9.02
Portuguese 9.00 9.01 9.02
Portuguese, Brasilian 9.00 9.01 9.02
Punjabi 9.00 9.01 9.02
Russian 9.00 9.01 9.02
Spanish (Latin America) 9.00 9.01 9.02
Spanish (Spain) 9.00 9.01 9.02
Swedish 9.00 9.01 9.02
Turkish

Firefox:

Afrikaans Afrikaans Not Yet Available
Albanian Shqipe Not Yet Available
Arabic عربي 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Armenian Հայերեն Not Yet Available
Asturian Asturianu Not Yet Available
Basque Euskara 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Bulgarian Български 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Catalan Catal�* 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Chinese (Simplified) �*文 (简体) 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Chinese (Traditional) �*�體�*文 (繁體) 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Czech Čeština 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Danish Dansk 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Dutch Nederlands 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
English English 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
English (British) English (British) 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Finnish Suomi 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
French Français 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Frisian Frysk 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
German Deutsch 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Greek Ελληνική 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Gujarati ગુજરાતી 1.5.0.7 Download Download
Hebrew עברית 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Hungarian Magyar 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Irish Gaeilge 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Italian Italiano 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Japanese 日本語 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Korean 한�*어 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Lithuanian Lietuvių 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Macedonian Македонски 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Mongolian Монгол Not Yet Available
Norwegian (Bokmål) Norsk bokmål 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Norwegian (Nynorsk) Norsk nynorsk Not Yet Available
Polish Polski 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Portuguese (Brazilian) Português (do Brasil) 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Portuguese (Portugal) Português (Europeu) Not Yet Available
Punjabi ਪੰਜਾਬੀ 1.5.0.7 Download Download
Romanian Română 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Russian �*усский 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Slovak Slovenský 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Slovenian Slovensko 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Spanish (Latin American) Español (de América) 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Spanish (Spain) Español (de España) 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Swedish Svenska 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download
Turkish Türkçe 1.5.0.7 Download Download Download

I guess the English interface will still be good for a large part of the world even for the purpose of browsing IDN/non-English sites.

And IE7 starts its troubles....

First security vulnerability in IE7

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/20/ie7_flaw_dispute/

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Business as usual :cheeky:

 

[Rubber Duck]

IE7 is due is going to be rolled out in 55 different languages over the next three months. A far more comprehensive list than any of those given here.

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/10/18/ie7-for-the-world.aspx

As IE7 is going to be automatically downloaded in Asia where the lion's share of the demand is for IDN and where FF and Opera have neglible levels of penetration, it will be the de facto standard for the most populous and most rapidly expanding economies in the World. Few people in West fully appreciate that not only China but India, Russia and even Bangladesh are experience near double digit growth, even in dollar terms. Once the necessary currency adjustments start to come on stream, count back will show that those growth rates in real terms are actually very much higher. We may need to keep growth and inflation around the 3% level to avoid meltdown, but the simple fact is emerging economies can sustain much higher levels of growth as they absorb a low cost pool of available labour, without having uncontrollable upward pressure on wages.

 

[Explorer]

Thousand of years ago in a galaxy far, far away the Chinese invented the internet. Things progressed very fast and other people started using the internet as well. The problem was that the URL address bars were only accepting the Chinese characters and the vast majority of LatinAlphabet people did not know it, but found the ways to go around it by creating websites using numbers like 163, which was a long way from perfect, but were remembered a lot better than the Chinese characters.

There were also some rebels who created small internet browsers that allowed the use of Latin Alphabet in URL bars, but the big Chinese monopoly ChinaSoft had a dominant market share and the biggest companies in Latin Alphabet continent like hotels.com, map.com and weather.com were frustrated they can’t advertise and market their website in Latin Alphabet due to the lack of browser support. The end-users in Latin Alphabet land were scratching their heads and wondering why they can’t type in their favorite words in their own native languages like English and why ChinaSoft’s browser doesn’t allow them.

The LatinAlphabet continent grew impatient and threatened to walk away from China’s dominance by creating their own internet with the URL address bars supporting their native languages like English or Spanish. The miracle happened – ChinaSoft gave in and allowed the native support of Latin Alphabet in their new browser. The announcement was made in Chinese, of course, and LatinAlphabet people did not know about it…but the auto-update feature scheduled for early November will automatically convert their browsers and change their internet browsing behavior forever as typing in map.com or weather.com in English is indisputably more convenient that doing in it Chinese characters for the people of LatinAlphabet.

 

[Rubber Duck]

为什么我只看到白色小方盒å*?

 

[puxa2]

Sorry, misread a post.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I notice from my last post that this forum won't accept some Unicode characters. Not sure why. Are we UTF8 compliant?