Was this necessary Gregr

[Anthony Ng]

Originally posted by gregr


Time has told.

What I meant was for DNForum.com to have just a hundred or two paid members is not enough: it might simply replay what we went through at the old AfterNIC.com - a mostly sellers-only club with very few end-user buyers. The now semi-defunct GreatDomains.com WAS successful in the sense that they did get A LOT of buyer traffic, from corporates to ordinary folks.

Having said that, I must admit that the number so far for paid membership is way beyond my guess, and congratulation!

 

[options]

Originally posted by Duke


I didn't even address the paid/non-paid issue. For me not taking a membership would be just plain stupid. I sold three names in the auction Sunday night and the profit was more than my annual membership. Sold another one in a sales thread Monday that also netted another profit greater than the annual fee. I'll sell a dozen names in next Sunday's auction.

IMHO this forum is not the best place to sell names. You can get below wholesale prices.
However buying bargains is the real advantage here.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by mudfence

Duke...you can thank DomeBase for my broken words.
He requested I edit my post because I made references to the corn on the end of your nose from being up gregr's arse all the time.

I think I'm going to be sick....Dome was right, that was better left edited out. Sorry I asked. :laugh:


On a serious note Mudfence, I thought you were capable of putting up an argument without resorting to those kind of comments when someone has a different view than you. Sorry I vastly overestimated your intelligence.

I will apologize for being overly supportive of Greg though. I guess I gave myself away in another thread yesterday when I said he was 50 laps ahead of everyone else in the arsehole race. Or when I noted at DomainState that there is no middle ground with Greg - you either hate him or you detest him. I will try not to be such a bootlicker in the future.

 

[Nexus]

Originally posted by nameslave
GreatDomains.com WAS successful in the sense that they did get A LOT of buyer traffic, from corporates to ordinary folks.

Somehow, I'm thinking Greg realizes this and is taking it all one step at a time. I'm not entirely sure this will EVER be the right venue for getting end user prices however. My assumption has been that this is a place for those in this industry to buy and trade before going out and reselling for end users. Has to be *somewhere*, right? Kudos for Duke starting a trade journal to talk about all of it.

I think that's where the action is at right now. Most end users aren't interested in the day-in-day out wranging of domain transactions. Kind of like how Adobe, developer of expert level software like "Photoshop", isn't going to be going to venues for corporate CEOs and Editors and focusing their sales forces there (unless they're trying to get site licences going). Sure, a few might be interested, but there is *volume* on the design services "wholesaler" level (for Adobe, all the *specialists* are a much more prime target and easier sell.)

It has become fairly stale on the end user level without some type of better mechanism for users to understand the concept of the Secondary Market let alone trade highly in it. Buydomains.com clearly has the best model for this so far. The only sale I made through Great Domains seemed to have them pleading with me to accept the offer (their "fee" was turning my stomach and I liked my name). I could sware someone else was on the phone listening in as well. Felt a little sad. With the .dotCom bubble busting, I continue to recommend all my clients (small businesses) to register NEW names and focus on their business, unless they can get something for a reasonable price.

Originally posted by options
IMHO this forum is not the best place to sell names. You can get below wholesale prices. However buying bargains is the real advantage here.

"Best place" is subjective. You will NOT get the "best price" for your names here, but depending on your objectives, you will likely get a SALE here for a reasonable amount. Sometimes its easy to assume a domain will eventually sell based on all its "stats", when the truth may simply be that no one on earth wants to USE it for anything on the "retail" side. While a sale may occur here, it may *never* sell in *any* venue for a perceived "retail" price. There are graveyard pages of domains out there that will never sell. The people here seem to be dealing more in volume and in monetizing traffic.

Not a lot of venture capital out there for Internet companies to blow anymore.

~ Nexus

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by Nexus
I'm not entirely sure this will EVER be the right venue for getting end user prices however. My assumption has been that this is a place for those in this industry to buy and trade before going out and reselling for end users.

That is exactly right Nexus and that is what Greg said the auction was meant to be. I also do not think the prices here are "below wholesale" at all. I have been getting much better prices here than on Ebay. I also agree with your assessment of the overall market. End user activity is very slow.

So, rather than sit around letting names collect a foot of dust while waiting on someone to come along and offer 4 figures, I steadily turn names over in the $50-$400 range. Not as glamourous as those rare big sales, but they add up quickly and the markup above reg fees (or well chosen wholesale purchases) is far better than you will find in the vast majority of industries. You have to go where the market is, rather than sit on your hands and hope a market will come to you.

 

[system0]

plus you can use that money to get more names at resale or new registrations

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by fonzerelli_79
plus you can use that money to get more names at resale or new registrations

Exactly. I have been in this business less than a year. Like everyone I made some horrible early registrations (still do I guess...but not as many ). In many cases I am more than happy to get my reg fees back on those and put them into something I have a better chance to sell.

 

[system0]

i basically use profits from sales to finance new domains and projects

works well for me

 

[DomeBase]

Originally posted by Duke
supportive of Greg

Duke, you work hard at being balanced and fair in multiple settings... and I think you succeed. Your post of support here helped to balance out other posts (such as mine). I think this is useful.

 

[NameCaster]

Originally posted by Duke


I think I'm going to be sick....Dome was right, that was better left edited out. Sorry I asked. :laugh:


On a serious note Mudfence, I thought you were capable of putting up an argument without resorting to those kind of comments when someone has a different view than you. Sorry I vastly overestimated your intelligence.

I will apologize for being overly supportive of Greg though. I guess I gave myself away in another thread yesterday when I said he was 50 laps ahead of everyone else in the arsehole race. Or when I noted at DomainState that there is no middle ground with Greg - you either hate him or you detest him. I will try not to be such a bootlicker in the future.

Duke...thanks for handling your reply with much more class than I did mine. I was a member of domain state before I was a member at DNF. So I guess I was being a little protective too.

I hope there are no hard feelings. I should know better than to post when I'm all heated up.

Cheers!
MF

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by mudfence


Duke...thanks for handling your reply with much more class than I did mine. I was a member of domain state before I was a member at DNF. So I guess I was being a little protective too.

I hope there are no hard feelings. I should know better than to post when I'm all heated up.

Cheers!
MF

Thanks for your follow-up MF. Even if you had not said that, there would have been no hard feelings. I never hold grudges over what someone says in a forum - posts are just a snapshot of what that person thinks at that brief moment in time (sometimes motivated by anger, boredom, laughter, you name it). If you are going to participate in a forum you need a thick skin. Everybody gets on someone else's nerves sooner or later - a flame is nothing to get bent out of shape about (though the imagery in yours did leave me with a bit of a queasy stomach ).

DNF and DS give the business a couple of very unique resources. Some friendly rivalry is cool as it pushes both to deliver the best possible product, but we are all brothers in a very specialized industry (OK, so with a little luck maybe Namepopper is only a distant cousin). All together now....

".....we are the world....(everybody!).....we are the children!
(let me hear you!)
We are the ones who make a brighter day so let's start giving.
(refrain)
"$14.95 for Gold, $49.95 for Platinum, Paaayyypal onnlllyyyy"

Hey, who threw the tomatoes! Who threw those eggs....and where did this corn come from....eeeweeeewww!

 

[TopNames.com]

I jump in and clock Duke right in the eye...I HATE that song!

 

[NamePopper.com]

I think I feel a special moment coming!

Never mind........... it was just gas. :shy:

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by TopNames.com
I jump in and clock Duke right in the eye...I HATE that song!

Watch it buddy! If I can defend a loose cannon like Greg I can defend Michael Jackson too!

I wonder if Michael used to be a member here. Maybe THAT'S what happened to HIS nose. Someone needs to check the back of Greg's pants for the DNA.

 

[puxa2]

Originally posted by Duke


May THAT'S what happened to HIS nose. Someone needs to check the back of Greg's pants for the DNA.

Double yuck!

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by NamePopper.com
I think I feel a special moment coming!

Never mind........... it was just gas. :shy:

Did I mention how nice it is to have Nick around so we can take turns being the butt of each other's jokes? Oops...did I say butt? There goes my appetite again!

 

[NameCaster]

Originally posted by Duke


Watch it buddy! If I can defend a loose cannon like Greg I can defend Michael Jackson too!

I wonder if Michael used to be a member here. Maybe THAT'S what happened to HIS nose. Someone needs to check the back of Greg's pants for the DNA.

ROFLMAO :laugh:

 

[davidthornton]

Originally posted by gregr
Their normal reaction is to immediately put out flames, example, banning Whois-Search.

You've told me previously that you wouldn't tolerate your mods posting on other forums. Since he's been a mod here for a good while, why would it matter if he was banned from the other forum? According to you, he's forbidden to post there if he wants to remain a moderator here.

After all they're the ones that came up with some the corny rules here. "We also take politeness very seriously"

You've still got them displayed under 'rules'. Why not change them?

BTW I am happy to use both forums. I just felt like pointing a few things out here.

 

[Fearless]

Originally posted by davidthornton


You've told me previously that you wouldn't tolerate your mods posting on other forums.

Don't misquote me David. You asked to be a moderator. This is exactly what I told you:

When a mod quits, I'll be very selective in finding a replacement.
I won't have the same situation I had when I bought this place.
Frankly you won't be considered. I don't mind members contributing to both boards but I won't make one that does, a moderator.

Originally posted by davidthornton

You've still got them displayed under 'rules'. Why not change them?

I'm busy doing other stuff.

 

[davidthornton]

Originally posted by gregr



Don't misquote me David. You asked to be a moderator. This is exactly what I told you:

When a mod quits, I'll be very selective in finding a replacement.
I won't have the same situation I had when I bought this place.
Frankly you won't be considered. I don't mind members contributing to both boards but I won't make one that does, a moderator.

He was contributing to both forums when he was a moderator, before he was a banned over at DomainState. If he wasn't banned, I expect he might still be doing so.

I'm busy doing other stuff.

You and me both.