What to do... Reputable Member P**sing me around...

[GUA]

Hey guys,
I have a problem. I was interested in a few domains for a development of mine. I PM'd the member/chatted on msn.
He stated I could have the names at a fixed price in the low $xxx range each.
I tried to haggle (as you do). He declined. I really needed the naes, thus I PM'd SOLD at his asking price.

No response has been received after numerous PMs and wating over 2 weeks. What should I do?
Should I leave negative TR? As he is not acting like a professional trader. Any suggestions. Should I publicly humiliate them?

You know who you are. If you want to do the right thing. PM Me.
Thanks
Tom

 

[Bill Roy]

Tom,

As always I would rather such things are settled amicably, but having said that I know that that is not always possible. I would try PM'ing him again and say if he wants to withdraw from the offer to sell then at least for him to have the decency to tell you. I would also point him in the direction of this thread.

Hopefully the above will work, if not then come back to the thread and let us know it has not worked (this way you will have established that you have shown yourself to be reasonable). One question I would ask is how long between the price being set and you accepting the sale price.

Hope all can be worked out.

 

[VirtualT]

Hey guys,
I have a problem. I was interested in a few domains for a development of mine. I PM'd the member/chatted on msn.
He stated I could have the names at a fixed price in the low $xxx range each.
I tried to haggle (as you do). He declined. I really needed the naes, thus I PM'd SOLD at his asking price.

No response has been received after numerous PMs and wating over 2 weeks. What should I do?
Should I leave negative TR? As he is not acting like a professional trader. Any suggestions. Should I publicly humiliate them?

You know who you are. If you want to do the right thing. PM Me.
Thanks
Tom

Actually, you are on my ignore list, on the forum and on msn.

You would have to be one of the most annoying people I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with, and I want to have nothing more to do with you.

Have a nice day, goodbye.

 

[GUA]

Ok I dont have to publicly broadcat who it is, he has done it for himself.
Maybe I am annoying, but if you name a price and I accept it you should have the integrity to honour your offer. Otherwise you are just as low as the scammers on the forum, and are yourself being counterproductive/annoying.
If you jut completed your deal I would not have reason to have anything more to do with you, then we would both be happy.
Be a man, an integral man. Keep your word.

In regards to Billbos quetion he named his price I tried to haggle. He declined. Within 30 minutes I had sent him a PM explaining that I was prepared to accept his price.

 

[VirtualT]

Ok I dont have to publicly broadcat who it is, he has done it for himself.
Maybe I am annoying, but if you name a price and I accept it you should have the integrity to honour your offer. Otherwise you are just as low as the scammers on the forum, and are yourself being counterproductive/annoying.
If you jut completed your deal I would not have reason to have anything more to do with you, then we would both be happy.
Be a man, an integral man. Keep your word.

In regards to Billbos quetion he named his price I tried to haggle. He declined. Within 30 minutes I had sent him a PM explaining that I was prepared to accept his price.

I offered you the names at a certain price when I needed the money, you declined the offer.

The names have now been withdrawn from the market.

Thats all I have to say on the matter so get over it.

 

[Bill Roy]

Tom,

If an agreement is reached then it is a contract as far as I am concerned unless something extra-ordinary happens (it does sometimes) and the agreement cannot be concluded under the agreed terms.

I asked how long between price being stated and you agreeing to the price just in case it was something like 6 weeks (again it happens and such a time lapse is unjustified I am sure you will agree, but not in this case I now understand). If negotiations are carried out and the sellers price is agreed to by the buyer within 30 minutes then the agreement has been reached.

 

[GUA]

I did not decline your offer.
I was haggling on the price with you. I then had to go out. I was thinking it over and realised that I couldnt miss the opportunity. I got on my blackberry and sent you a PM accepting your offer within 30 minutes.
Essentially you are dishonest, and in some respects a scammer. Your TR lies as this shows. I am sure if we ask the members here, they will agree that dishonest members who do not honour their deals shouldn't be members of a professional forum.
You either complete the transaction, or this will be sent to DCG. I have msn logs, all the PMs etc
It is completely unnaceptable.

 

[James]

Seller gives price -seller obligated, Buyer counteroffers , seller no longer obligated.
My 2 cents

jim

 

[GUA]

Seller gives price -seller obligated, Buyer counteroffers , seller no longer obligated.
My 2 cents

jim

Input appreciated but that makes no sense at all.
You often see threads where offers are wanted, but there is also a BIN.
You are saying that you cant make an offer and then BIN a name...

It is easy to see that VirtualT knows he is wrong but thinks he can hide behind his reputation....
Ill give it 24 hours, then negative TR will be left and DCG contacted.
Do the right thing.

 

[Ed30]

I did not decline your offer.
I was haggling on the price with you. I then had to go out. I was thinking it over and realised that I couldnt miss the opportunity. I got on my blackberry and sent you a PM accepting your offer within 30 minutes.
Essentially you are dishonest, and in some respects a scammer. Your TR lies as this shows. I am sure if we ask the members here, they will agree that dishonest members who do not honour their deals shouldn't be members of a professional forum.
You either complete the transaction, or this will be sent to DCG. I have msn logs, all the PMs etc
It is completely unnaceptable.

You declined the offer as soon as you started to haggle.

 

[SouthernTn]

I did not decline your offer.
I was haggling on the price with you. I then had to go out. I was thinking it over and realised that I couldnt miss the opportunity. I got on my blackberry and sent you a PM accepting your offer within 30 minutes.
Essentially you are dishonest, and in some respects a scammer. Your TR lies as this shows. I am sure if we ask the members here, they will agree that dishonest members who do not honour their deals shouldn't be members of a professional forum.
You either complete the transaction, or this will be sent to DCG. I have msn logs, all the PMs etc
It is completely unnaceptable.

You have no grounds to even make such a threat.

When he was ready to sell at his price.. you started to haggle.. THEN right there at the point, he can decide whether or not he wants to deal with you.. (Uncomfortable) being one more than likely. Its his right to refrain from selling to you..

Sooooo... There ya have it

 

[GUA]

Ok maybe I am in the wrong here,
Lets think, in starting to haggle I declined his offer... NO
In starting to haggle I was saying maybe I can get this cheaper. Simple

I was even Sad enough to look up the process of haggling on wikipedia. What Ed30 said is sadly not true at all.

In regards to SouthernTn's comment, I have every right. He is not an honourable tradesperson, people deserve to know about it.

There ya have it.

Sorry to sound bitter or whatnot but you are posting opinions as far as I can see whereas I am posting the fact of the matter truth. This guy aint a professional.
Admitedly I have all the convo logs, maybe if everyone could read them then you'd all agree with me. My Threat still stands.

 

[DomainMagnate]

Irregardless of the matter itself, always act professionally. Some people value time more than money, don't waste their time and don't be annoying.
Imho unprofessional, disrespectful, or even abusive/annoying behavior can be a legitimate reason to retract an offer, as no one likes to deal with unprofessional traders.

Sorry for a little off-topic.
Hope this incident resolves peacefully.

 

[GUA]

Irregardless of the matter itself, always act professionally. Some people value time more than money, don't waste their time and don't be annoying.
Imho unprofessional, disrespectful, or even abusive/annoying behavior can be a legitimate reason to retract an offer, as no one likes to deal with unprofessional traders.

Sorry for a little off-topic.
Hope this incident resolves peacefully.

I have at all points acting professionally. The only excuse VirtualT has is that I am annoying. If he had honoured his deal I would not have had to end multiple annoying PMs.
The point is I have done everything by the book, and professionally. I want the names. The problem is the seller is a joker..

 

[dadster]

Unless he agreed to the sale - you are out of luck. He named a price - you determined you wanted to go under that. He declined.

End of deal.

You then opened a new conversation by offering at his asking price. He declined - which he has every right to do - they are HIS domains.


Mark it up to a lesson learned. If the prices were already very good - why try to gouge the guy.

Pick yourself up out fo the dirt, accept it as a buyer who doesn't want to sell to you for whatever his reason may be and get on with your domaining life. If you belabor the point you are a whiner and can only damage your reputation as a domainer.

Thats my two cents

Frank

 

[Theo]

There have been a few times I negotiated the price & the other party didn't want to sell lower than their asking price. If I really wanted the domains, I'd then approach them again, as you did, offering their asking price. However, I'd have no expectations at that point. I think that you're creating a far larger issue by simply not dropping the matter and moving on. Had you sent money to him, that would have been a different story.

 

[Bill Roy]

Did VT agree to the deal, if not then no agreement I'm afraid. I had assumed in my earlier posts VT had 'agreed' to your acceptance of his price!

 

[Ed30]

What Ed30 said is sadly not true at all.

What I said was spot on.

There was a price - you haggled (your perogative) - haggling failed - you annoyed the seller. There was no deal. No contract. No domains passed hands. No money passed hands.

 

[INVIGOR]

Get over it! I can tell just from this thread that you ARE annoying! I wouldn't deal with you either if this is the way you carry on, and on, and on, and on. The domains are HIS and until there is a MUTUAL agreement to buy and sell you have NOTHING. A BIN price means squat unless HE accepts it. Not because you put it out there. The nyou threaten negative feedback, calling the Gods, etc. Do you think anybody really cares? Call the waaaaambulance on the double!

 

[dadster]

just out of curiousity what were the domain names?