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[Gerry]

Yup.

Oh, and by the way, if you live in New Zealand or Australia, and the case commences on a Monday - then the UDRP response time is 16 days, not 20. Every case commenced on a Monday - 20% of UDRP cases - runs to a Sunday deadline.

Been filing on Mondays on a Sunday deadline for 7 years. NAF explicitly accepts that in their supplemental rules. WIPO never raised a question about it. Until now.

Dead bang forgery sworn to in front of them - federal felony - no RDNH.

Okay, fill me in on the details (condensed version okay) as I am curious as to what happened. Unless you can not discuss at present.

I did read the WIPO link.

I was looking at it from a medical point of view (with some serious legal and ethical implications).

 

[jberryhill]

Okay, fill me in on the details

It's in the UDRP decision that Dave posted.

Every UDRP case commenced on a Monday has a Sunday response deadline (no other weekday + 20 days ends on a weekend). UDRP cases are only commenced on M-F.

Traditionally, WIPO has accepted responses filed on the Monday following a Sunday deadline. That's pretty much standard practice in state courts, federal courts, the courts of European nations, administrative bodies, and so on. It's even standard under other procedures administered by WIPO.

Interestingly, after WIPO cashed the $2K payment for the three member panel, the Complainant objected to the response being filed on Monday, and requested leave to file additional comments if the Panel considered the response.

So, what the panel did was "decide not to decide" the timely filing issue and to deny the complaint "on their own", so that they then wouldn't have to deal with the complainant's request to file additional stuff.

The upshot is to shave an additional two days off of UDRP response time in the Western Hemisphere, unless your attorney works on weekends. However, that is on top of the extra screw job you get in NZ and AUS because respondents there are notified "today" (in NZ) of a case commenced "yesterday" (in Switzerland).

Now, UDRP rule 2(f) expressly states that a transmission is made from the time zone where sent, but a few panels lately have been ignoring that.

My question is - if the Response was untimely then why did they take our money and appoint a three member panel?

 

[Gerry]

double post

Being a clearly (in my eyes) forged document and fake date of issuance, can this case be tossed based on the submission of falsified evidence?

Or is that wishful thinking for this panel and only happens in "real" courts, no offense.

That site needs to be shut down as they are not in compliance with AHA and Red Cross guidelines.

From the AHA site:

BLS Healthcare Provider Online Renewal Course
http://www.heart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3019553

The online BLS Renewal Course provides a review for healthcare professionals who have prior CPR training. This program recognizes that healthcare professionals have knowledge and skills acquired from prior CPR training and years of patient care.

Once you have completed the online portion of the course, you go to an authorized American Heart Association Training Center for the skills validation portion. After you have completed both sections of the course, you will be issued an American Heart Association BLS - Healthcare Provider card.

The cost is $17.50 for the online portion, plus the cost of the skills check.

From ProCPR.org

Is ProCPR the right certificate for me?

* Specifically designed for healthcare professionals
* Follows current American Heart Association recommendations
* We also provide Blended Course for those who need hands-on skill practice.
* Not a healthcare provider but need to meet OSHA requirements for your job? Visit ProFirstAid

This is not an option. It is mandatory

How does online CPR recertification work?

1. Sign up with ProCPR
2. Review with the Free CPR training library
3. Take the Free CPR Test and pass with 85% or better
4. Pay $25 for your CPR certification card using most major credit cards
5. Print your card immediately using your home printer (sample card)

What do I need to be recertified online for only $25?

* Lapse of less than 6 months in CPR certification
* A valid debit or credit card
* A printer to print out your certification card
* A score of 85% or better on our recertification test

NO lapse is recommended and many institutions will not allow a healthcare worker to work until recertified.

What is on the test? (How to use ProCPR)

* 25 multiple choice questions
* 10 landmark testing questions on an adult body
* 36 slideshow demonstrations for dial-up users
* 13 multimedia video demonstrations for broadband users
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Also, to be re-certified, according to the AHA you must show proof of certification. You can not be re-certified if you have not been certified. Two distinct differences and course of instruction.

ProCPR does not ask for this proof.

 

[Dave Zan]

That site needs to be shut down as they are not in compliance with AHA and Red Cross guidelines.

And the joiks who tried to pull that blatant stunt on John's client. Hmm, give
that stuff to AHA? FTC?

 

[Gerry]

And the joiks who tried to pull that blatant stunt on John's client. Hmm, give
that stuff to AHA? FTC?

My exact thoughts.

I presume this would minimally come under fraud if not wire fraud (the transfer of monies) and falsifying documentation should be ample cause to pull their certification of AHA, if they are even authorized to begin with.

Even instructors need to be recertified.

I also think they are being very crafty and careful in the wording on their site and on the card. No where do they distinctly say they are an authorized provider as approved by the AHA and Red Cross. They say on the site and the card that the "follow" the guidelines.

Is this CPR card valid?
Yes, the card issued by ProCPR is a valid CPR certificate for professionals looking to renew their CPR certification. It is comparable to CPR for the Professional Rescuer through Red Cross or American Heart Association.

Isn't a demonstration required?
The ProCPR certification is meant for professionals who have already completed initial CPR training and wish to renew their certification. If you have not had initial training or in-class training in quite some time, it would be good to refresh first with manikins. If you are very confident with your skills but simply need a recertification to work with infants, children and adults, then this certificate would be fine for you.

Do you offer any online training?
No, we do not currently offer any online training courses. These courses will be available on ProCPR in the near future, however. Please check back soon for updates.


When is your next training session?
ProCPR does not offer any training courses. ProCPR, LLC, is sometimes confused with PRO CPR, Inc., of Southern California. These companies are in no way affiliated. For more information on training courses offered by PRO CPR, Inc., please contact Mark Gerber, director of PRO CPR, or contact your nearest hospital or ambulance company for class schedules.
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They obviously offer nothing except a means to part you and your money.

I was not aware that these sites even existed. They are so far out of compliance.

 

[jberryhill]

They obviously offer nothing except a means to part you and your money.

Be fair Doc, you get a gen-u-wine certifikate signed by Roy Shaw hisself!

Suitable for framing, fobbing off on an employer who doesn't look at it closely, or being appointed to a position in HUD by George W. Bush.

And a trip in his time machine!

How THE HELL do you think *I* got a doctorate AND a law degree? LOL

You guys have spotted most of the howlers except there is one stunning one left:

(I want to hear DNQuest or Acroplex on this one)

Read the rest of FAQ #16:

http://www.procpr.org/faq.php#Q16

Tell me what you see there?

 

[Dave Zan]

Just read that portion you pointed out, John. The first thing that came to my
mind was WTF?! (but I'll let Theo and Philip answer that per your request. )

Edit: Originally intended to post links as separate thread, but found out title's
too long. Reposting them as separate per impactadmin's explanation on what
happened.

 

[Gerry]

I already saw that (#16) and I just never got around to pointing it out. I am getting brutalized on another issue and thread. Going back and forth.

edit.

Suitable for framing, fobbing off on an employer who doesn't look at it closely, or being appointed to a position in HUD by George W. Bush.

Can I be director of FEMA? Huh, huh? Pretty please?

Michael Brown was. When is it my turn?

 

[Theo]

All I know is that http://www.pro-cpr.com/ is an eyesore. And that's my expert opinion, as a web developer.

Seriously, the analysis put forth by Doc on the CPR issue shows that the panel needs specialists to consult with on each case. Oh, and CSI-style investigator skills.

 

[Gerry]

I was gonna post these as a separate thread. But for some reason the forum
keeps lagging for me:

http://lawfuel.com/show-release.asp?ID=14827

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/09/fraudster-who-i.html



Just read that portion you pointed out, John. The first thing that came to my
mind was WTF?! (but I'll let Theo and Philip answer that per your request. )

Those both need to be their own seperate posts. With as much discussion on here as there has been lately of theft and fraud, that is a good tip.

I do like this comment:

Moral of the story: On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog (or lolcat)-- but they might suspect you're not the IP lawyer you say you are. I mean what high powered intellectual property lawyer would use a Netzero account?

 

[jberryhill]

I was gonna post these as a separate thread

"Attention passengers. Please remain in your seats. We have some threads, and we are returning to the airport."

 

[DNQuest.com]

Read the rest of FAQ #16:

http://www.procpr.org/faq.php#Q16

Tell me what you see there?

I see an admission of secondary meaning of "Pro CPR" to another company.

Qutie honestly, this does make my stomach turn a bit. I hope they are investigated. Imagine if "certificates" were accepted as proof of AHA and someone was hired based on these credentials. Now imagine this person was in a situation where they had to perform CPR and did it improperly.

And I also agree, pro-cpr.com needs to look much better..it is horrible.

 

[Biggie]

found out that our company uses this place to train employees in CPR techniques.

http://www.medicfirstaid.us/index.php?page_id=62

 

[jberryhill]

I see an admission of secondary meaning of "Pro CPR" to another company.

You got it.

They ADMIT that consumers confuse them with a pre-existing entity that calls itself Pro CPR, and which does provide real CPR training.

The owner of THAT company - he thinks it's a generic term. He also ran me through the entire litany that Doc Com has recited about the actual requirements for CPR training. The link to his site is there because he didn't want to be associated by mistake with this outfit.

Quite honestly, this does make my stomach turn a bit.

Amazing innit?

I mean, sometimes, you come up with somebody who has 'gilded the lily' a bit. But in this instance, it's like a Snickers bar - "No matter how you slice it, it comes up crud."

I want to see the wheelbarrow these guys haul their cojones around in.

 

[HomerJ]

haha! i went right to the link without viewing any posts.

on the right side the card cites the Emergency Cardiac Care Subcomittee 2005 and JAMA 2005, yet on the left side of the card the renewal date is 04/07/2004


EDIT: ok i just read through all of the posts

I see an admission of secondary meaning of "Pro CPR" to another company.

OMG! this would be hilarious if it did not potentially involve life-or-death situations where competency in CPR is concerned. shame on them. kindo of ironic that these people have no heart at all.