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I remember the first time I ever parked a domain, I created my account at home and the next day I needed to buy something so I searched from my domain clicked out and actually bought something. The next day my account was closed. Was that fraud or a provider just being a little crazy about their rules? It's really up to the provider, but I broke their rule so it wasn't really fraud. But I learned my lesson because of being terminated, that $0.10 was really important to me 5 years ago.
Today, I know of about 100 different ways that I could have hidden that click out to the advertisers, and instead of making $0.10, I could be making $50,000 a week. But one day my world would have fallen in on me when some parking company figured out how to stop me. So instead of $5,000 a month doing it the right way, I'm making $0.00 and hoping one of the parking companies/providers/advertisers doesn't file charges against me.
Parking companies are getting smarter, they have whole teams of people dedicated to watching and detecting fraud. Some shut you down immediately, some just like to be voyeurs for a while and see how far you will really go. But they are all learning. We have already figured out how to detect all of the people who are using some of the automated bots to click out. And we have figured out about 100 other ways that people cheat everyday.
Everyday we shut down about 100 accounts, in most cases it's probably about 10 - 20 people in total. But they get greedy and one of our radars goes off and bam, they are all gone. The other things that helps is every one of our account managers reports fraud, our ceo even looks for fraud, I look for fraud, we have a dedicated fraud team, and we have all kinds of automated programs to detect different changes in accounts. And you can't forget that having spies in all of the big message boards across the world always helps. So in a nutshell, if you cheat, I will catch you.
As I have mentioned before, we are about to start sharing our termination data with other partners which will include signup data, login data, and all domains. This means that you will not only be terminated with us, but with all providers.
If most of the people committing fraud spent that same time doing stuff the right way they would probably be rich!
Donny
Today, I know of about 100 different ways that I could have hidden that click out to the advertisers, and instead of making $0.10, I could be making $50,000 a week. But one day my world would have fallen in on me when some parking company figured out how to stop me. So instead of $5,000 a month doing it the right way, I'm making $0.00 and hoping one of the parking companies/providers/advertisers doesn't file charges against me.
Parking companies are getting smarter, they have whole teams of people dedicated to watching and detecting fraud. Some shut you down immediately, some just like to be voyeurs for a while and see how far you will really go. But they are all learning. We have already figured out how to detect all of the people who are using some of the automated bots to click out. And we have figured out about 100 other ways that people cheat everyday.
Everyday we shut down about 100 accounts, in most cases it's probably about 10 - 20 people in total. But they get greedy and one of our radars goes off and bam, they are all gone. The other things that helps is every one of our account managers reports fraud, our ceo even looks for fraud, I look for fraud, we have a dedicated fraud team, and we have all kinds of automated programs to detect different changes in accounts. And you can't forget that having spies in all of the big message boards across the world always helps. So in a nutshell, if you cheat, I will catch you.
As I have mentioned before, we are about to start sharing our termination data with other partners which will include signup data, login data, and all domains. This means that you will not only be terminated with us, but with all providers.
If most of the people committing fraud spent that same time doing stuff the right way they would probably be rich!
Donny