For Sale Yet another WLS thread...

[clemzonguy]

After July 25th....at least 6 months after the RGP initially started.

 

[beatz]

Incredible that some people still think WLS will level/equalize *anything*....it will not.

Man, i wanna see the faces of the WLS-supporters when they see that after a week of checking 99% of WLS subscriptions are taken by BD,Ult etc.

Btw - it's not the question how many WLS subscriptions BD and the likes can afford.

It's how many YOU can NOT afford .

Like, maybe you decide to buy 10 or 100 subscriptions "for a start" ?

Well, you will soon see that

- there will be no "for a start"; try to buy them ALL in the very first minute or you will never ever have the chance again
- it's quite some considerable bucks for a subscription that doesn't guarantee you anything and that you cant exchange for another name
- all the WLS subscriptions you get hold of right at the start will be the *only* good names from now on that you will be able to catch..if at all.Game over for most.

Geez, it's gonna be a lot of crying to mom.

 

[clemzonguy]

Time and time again I have run into the following senario when finding a name that will drop....

I buy the snap if it's available. Then become the high bidder at namewinner after some sniping possibly. And also order at every single drop club with decent bids. Result: I still loose to buydomains with their private connections b/c they simply move up this name on the priority list, run it on their private connections and get it every damn time.

There is no way to compete effeciently against BD b/c they have a huge advantage. If they were taken out of the equation things might be a little different.

If I had a particular name pre-ordered with a WLS slot Mike Mann wouldn't have a shot in hell of getting it since it's first come first serve. I'd rather take this chance anyday of the week and pay a flat fee where I can sleep at night instead of worrying about who got the name the next day and finding out it's buydomains or some lucky SOB at enom who put in a name just for the hell of it after reading the daily pending delete list. The fact that I would have paid more for it doesn't mean a hill of beans.

Like I said before though....one negative thing from the WLS is that if someone sees the slot taken especially after it expires or goes into RGP there will be a hell of a lot of phone calls to the person to buy the name. We all know how this senario plays out.

Maybe we should all just play musical chairs or chess for names. Something creative and fun

 

[GeorgeK]

Clemzonguy: You ignore other ways to make your WLS slot worthless.

If I want a name badly, and you have the WLS slot, I'll go and renew the domain name (give NSI a call, and they'll accept renewal orders from anyone), so it won't expire. That trumps you. Don't think it'll happen? Think again.

 

[Duke]

Good point George....and then the $60 or whatever Chemzonguy just spent on his WLS slot is gone with the wind. WLS means the end of any chance whatsoever that the small guy can get a good domain name. Sure, your chances suck now but at least you have a chance - with WLS you may as well pack your bags and go home. I would like to see an improvement to how things are done now, but WLS and handing Verisign a new monopoly is not it. Remember how they handled their last monopoly opportunity?

 

[clemzonguy]

I'll go and renew the domain name (give NSI a call, and they'll accept renewal orders from anyone)

So you hijack domains? Even if you renew the domain you won't have access to it unless you do something illegal or register the administrative contact email (which even then i'm wondering if I have a right to do anything or not). If they will accept renewal orders I would have done this on a domain I wanted a few months back instead of trying to contact the previous owner. What if the name isn't at NSI?

Good points but I don't think these are strong enough arguments to convince anyone with any power to stop the WLS.

 

[ddent]

It brings up an interesting point though. Remember what I said about a WLS for WLS listings?

Think about it. Domain you don't have the WLS on that you want thats going to drop. Renew it on behalf of the owner.

Now, 'catch' the 'drop' of the WLS entry that someone had on the domain.

Later, rinse & repeat until someone gets sick of it.

No, it won't change things at all. It will make it more expensive for people, and will shut out the smaller players. At least we have a chance right now.

 

[beatz]

Originally posted by clemzonguy
..Mike Mann wouldn't have a shot in hell of getting it since it's first come first serve.

What you still don't get:

Buydomains only chance in this game would be to buy as many WLS as possible, so you bet that they, Ult and a few others would buy and have a market share like 70% of the good WLS subscriptions within a day - because they have the financial power to do so.
Which leaves like 30% for the rest of us.
Now how many *good* WLS subscriptions do you think would you as an individual be able to get hold of in the first hours of WLS - that is, if you even were willing to pay like $3500 for a 100 WLS on day one?
Maybe 3,4?
Maybe 10 ?

Well, that would be the say only 10 good names you would have a chance of getting your hands on from now on - all in all and til the end of time that is.
Now minus that with the names that would NOT drop and you are left with like 2 or 3 good names you might get the chance to catch - for your entire domain future.

Sorry but i'm much better off with how it is at the moment *with* competition like BD etc.
Just because at the moment i am at least able to catch more than 3 or 4 decent names a lifetime.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by beatz
Now minus that with the names that would NOT drop and you are left with like 2 or 3 good names you might get the chance to catch - for your entire domain future.

....and he won't get those either. Because if he holds the WLS and the names are any good AT ALL then everyone else, including the people with major money will be contacting the domain owner and buying it directly from them before it drops and he gets to use his WLS (which then becomes worthless as it is not transferrable). It will be the only way to get a name with a WLS on it so EVERYONE will be doing it - including me (that is IF WLS comes to pass and I am not at all convinced that it will).

WLS will be great for Verisign and for the current owners of domains who have not shared in the windfall that occurs when they let their names go. Everyone else will be screwed.


P.S. I believe there is also a provision in WLS that the current domain owner has to be notified if someone takes out a WLS on their name. Knowing that the name has value and someone is waiting to grab it, how many do you think will fail to renew rather than keep it so they can sell it to the highest bidder?

 

[MillerTyme]

I guess it's good in a way that so many are being scared off by the prospect of WLS.



:wide grin::

 

[clemzonguy]

ddent don't give away my strategies!!! You could do this in the current system when someone took a snap on an NSI name you wanted. But snaps are no longer a guarantee of getting the name.

Forgot about the fact that the owner has to be notified. If they are ignoring renewal notifications chances are they won't bother with more spam from verisign .....until the phone calls start coming in.

Very good points to all. This will be a case of wait and see.

 

[peter]

well, one thing is for sure. If WLS comes through, I will not be able to continue having fun with domains. Maybe with .org and .us, but there is not a chance in hell I could afford to keep buying WLS.

Man, thank's for taking away all the fun!

/me goes to cry in the corner

 

[clemzonguy]

thank's for taking away all the fun

You mean more like an addiction...

 

[peter]

Originally posted by clemzonguy


You mean more like an addiction...

true, but I have really started enjoying domains... Perhaps it's because not many other's do it (atleast not hardcore like us ) combined with the dream of one day owning some 2-letter.com's *caugh* yakov *cough*. The constant search. The feeling of having 10 minutes untill the drops and feeling like a kid right before christmas