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[garymayor]

Hey however you do it doesn't matter do it how you like. There are many ways to increase your chances of getting good dying domains.

This is what people are not realising they think the current system is good but wait until wls comes in i think there'll be a few good surprises for the anti wls'ers.

In fact adding to my list of anti wls'ers are the newbies because they don't understand the old concept.

 

[Digital Address]

Originally posted by Sharpy


Nuff Said
:laugh:

Gary,

Hate to burst your bubble here but who are you? Your profile tells me squat! That makes me very leery. You could at least be from an "orphanage" or something!

 

[Beachie]

Originally posted by garymayor
In fact adding to my list of anti wls'ers are the newbies because they don't understand the old concept.

Since you apparently have a long history in the domain catching business, perhaps you could explain the 'old concept' to the newbies?

I'm curious: If I said "Lee H" did something a few years ago that made many domainers dislike him, you could post what it was that he did, and the line that made him (in)famous?

(every non-newbie knows the answer)

 

[garymayor]

wls is the old concept read the whole post to understand it.

Who i am doesn't matter what i post does. I've been around a long time but not in this forum becuase i strongly believed that no one should even speak about the subject of expired domains to anyone just increases the competition. A couple of years ago there was a lot less competition it was the hidden area of the internet. People started putting up sites about it forums and all sorts. Suddenly everyone knows and look what happened. We are going to be taking step back very soon.

 

[Beachie]

Originally posted by garymayor
In fact adding to my list of anti wls'ers are the newbies because they don't understand the old concept.

wls is the old concept read the whole post to understand it.

WLS is the old concept? What are you on about?

Lee Hodgson, "6.30 AM Domain Goldrush" and "Local whois DB is out of date", was the answer to my question. Anyone with any length of experience in this business would know that.

I liked the bit about "the hidden area of the internet" though.

I can read any opinion about WLS with an open mind, but I can't handle newbies posing as guru's, expecting their ALL CAPITAL SENTENCES to make up for their limited knowledge.

 

[garymayor]

You should know what i'm on about if you've been in this game long anough. WLS is like the old system if you had a snap you were pretty sure to get it apart from ULT getting in there occasionaly.

The thing about Lee H where was it posted, on this board never used to read it. Somewhere else loads of people just coudn't help mouthing off about it. I used to work out what time the drops were myself not by reading posts because i soon realised that people shouldn't be talking about it. Didn't work though did it people thought it would be clever to ask questions.

 

[DotLeader]

*yawn*

 

[garymayor]

i think you need to go back to bed dotleader

 

[DotLeader]

me too

 

[Beachie]

Originally posted by garymayor
You should know what i'm on about if you've been in this game long anough. WLS is like the old system if you had a snap you were pretty sure to get it apart from ULT getting in there occasionaly.

Until ULT purchased thousands of Snaps on premium domains, and we had to start buying them 3 months before the expiry date. But, I guess you wouldn't remember that.

The thing about Lee H where was it posted, on this board never used to read it.

Everything you write makes you look more like a clueless newbie. Let's just say we're talking about something that happened 12 months before the domain dnforum.com was registered.

 

[strongvis]

if no one should speak of expiring names, then stop your babbling.

BTW if you're not a newbie, you'd be completely satisfied with all the names you got before the rules changed, before there was a snapnames, before there was a dnf and before wls was even a glimmer in NSIs eye. . . .

wls is not going to save you.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by strongvis
wls is not going to save you.

Bingo. GaryMayor, the people who are smarter than you, work harder than you and are willing to invest more than you to beat you under the current system are still going to be smarter than you, work harder than you and be willing to invest more than you in a WLS system. If you can't compete, you can't compete. The rules may change but the competitors are not going to go away so you may as well start looking for a new line of work now (though I'm not sure where you are going to find a business that does not have to deal with competition. They tried it in Russia but it didn't work out too well .)

 

[Beachie]

Originally posted by garymayor
If you spend 5k on WLS subscriptions then i'm quite certain your going to make a lot more than you currently are.

I agree with this quote. Now, which part of your brain hasn't connected large sums of money with success, under any system.

The question is, who's going to invest the most money in WLS? Here's a clue: BuyDomains are spending $2000+ per day on domains.

They're also wasting time and money having to juggle hundreds of bids at different sites, plus what they pay their RRP partners. WLS will make them more efficient - it's a one stop shop, at the lowest price imaginable.

 

[Ed30]

Gary, the current system offers us freedom of choice, freedom to choose which service to employ to get the name we want, freedom to bid (through certain services) what we feel the domain is worth, freedom to use different methods to get that domain we want. WLS would deprive us of that freedom. It's not as simple as that, but that's the long and short of it.

 

[Duke]

Also, I was under the impression that most people in this forum were domain resellers. If you are going to be an effective reseller you will find it very helpful to have inventory that people want to buy. If there is only one shot at getting desirable products (and that shot has been fired a year before the domain even becomes available - if it becomes available) then you are going to end up with a pretty lousy inventory (and out of business). Today's system may not be ideal, but at least you have multiple chances at acquiring names even if you just learned of their availability (as opposed to tying up your capital on a hope and prayer last year). GaryMayor, If you are unaware as to what those multiple choices are then you really haven't been paying much attention to this business.

 

[Bob]

Your basis for arguement is flawed, hence your viewpoint is flawed. Lets look at these one by one.

Originally posted by garymayor
People WILL be able to to get WLS subscriptions BECAUSE not everyone will be monitoring the same names there isn't one person that can monitor the net every second of the day. Do people not see it it's all about monitoring names. The average home computer will be able to monitor about 500,000 names every couple of days. Yes you will have to be a programmer but i'm damn sure there will programs coming out that will help people monitor names. I'll write you all one just to make you happy.

Flaw #1: "BECAUSE not everyone will be monitoring the same names".

You are foolish to believe that everybody will not be monitoring the same names. The whole basis of this WLS arguement is whether or not people will have a chance at "good names". Everybody is complaining how mediocre names are going to insane amounts. I can guarantee, all of the WLS slots for the "good names" will be scoops up by the big players in the beginning, leaving us (smaller players) fighting for the scraps (that is if the big players allow us to have any). Once the WLS slots for "good names" are gone, where will attention go? You guessed it.. To the mediocre names. This will leave you, the small player, forced to go after "bad" names.

Good names are one-word, short, and for the most part, nouns, and 2/3 letter names but lets assume it is any dictionary word. I for one, parse the zone files daily and run the results against a database of English words. This process takes me about two hours every day. I can take the massive COM zone file which contains upwards of 30 million names, and whittle it down to a couple hundred names with relatively little effort. Do you think the big (and even a lot of small) players do NOT do this? Trust me, everybody will be watching the same names. WLS subscriptions will initially be taken out months in advance, then years. Pro-WLS people will be the first to cry "FOUL" when this happens.

Flaw #2: The average home computer will be able to monitor about 500,000 names every couple of days.

If you are naive enough to think the big-boys run on home-computers, then there is no point ot having this discusison. Dedicated servers with an obscene amount of bandwidth are available for $100/month. Buy several dedicated servers and voila! You can scale your monitoring power to whatever you need.

Query one name per second and you have 86,400 checks per day. Buy 10 dedicated servers ($1000/month) and you have almost a million checks per day.

The WLS system will be a much fairer system as all you have to do is get the subscription then weh hey you've got the name if it drops. There's nothing that isn't already happening that is going to change the fact the name might not drop. You will have much better chance of winning at this game and you won't need a huge pocket and greedy people won't be able to be so greedy.

Conclusion #1 based on Flawed Logic: "The WLS system will be a much fairer system"

Lets forget the politics and opinions on whether you are Pro or Anti WLS. Ask youself a simple question:

"Are monopolies fair?"

WLS introduces a MONOPOLY over the dropping domain name game. There are laws against monopolistic behavior. Under the current system, there is competition. Under the proposed system, there is no competition. If you are first in line, you get the name. While that may be good news for the person who is first in line, eveybody who is second and beyond have no chance. There is no compeition in a monopoly, hence that is why the big players will be first in line to scoop up all of the good names, leaving the small-player all of the scraps.

The big players will NOT get all the decent names the moment the WLS system opens because there's thousands of people that will know exactly what's going to drop just the same as the big players and there all going to be registering there WLS slots at the same time the big players do. For all those that havn't worked it out yet you will realise soon what you have to do and you are the only people that are against WLS now or of cause the big players.

Shortsight #1: "The big players will NOT get all the decent names the moment the WLS system opens because there's thousands of people that will know exactly what's going to drop just the same as the big players and there all going to be registering there WLS slots at the same time the big players do."

While there may be some INITIAL validity to this statement, you need to think this through. Yes, the big players will not be able to get ALL of the WLS slots to begin with, over time, they will have the resources to either buy them from the currnt holders, or, as the current holders do not renew them, they will scoop them up. Over time, the big players will end up with "all" of the WLS slots, thus again, leaving the small-player only the scraps.

If WLS happens, you better shell out a lot of money in the beginning to get the slots you want. Otherwise, for the small players, it is "GAME OVER".

Everyone will have a much better chance of getting names on the WLS system they just have to be smarter.

Flawed Conclusion #2: Everyone will have a much better chance of getting names on the WLS system they just have to be smarter.

How can a monopoly be better? There is no competition. If you think the system is bad now, it will be worse under WLS. The Pro-WLS people will be the first to complain when things do not go according to how they think it should happen (i.e. When the big players get all of the WLS subscriptions to the "good names").

PEOPLE STOP SUPPORTING THE CURRENT SYSTEM AS YOU WILL AND I REPEAT IT YOU WILL HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING NAMES WITH WLS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS GET NETSOL & SNAPNAMES TO CHANGE TO THE WAY WE WANT IT AT LEAST 10 TRIES PER SUBSCRIPTION.

IF ANYONE HAS EXPERIENCE IN CHANGING BIG COMPANIES DECISIONS THEN DROP ME A NOTE AND I'LL SUPPLY THE DOMAIN WEBSPACE LETTERS OR WHATEVER TO GET THE POINT ACCROSS.

TO ALL THOSE THAT NEW THIS ALREADY THEN I APOLOGISE FOR LETTING EVERYONE KNOW. THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT ANYWAY. I'VE HAD ANOUGH.

I support he current system 100%. In my opinion,it is the lesser of two evils. The current system shafts the small player, but WLS shafts them even more.

-Bob

 

[bidawinner]

I have read in 2 "proposals" for WLS that they will NOT be allowing scripts . That in essence you would have to "hand reg in applying for a wls " because they will shut down multiple request from automated systems (other than approved systems ! that's the interesting part ...snapnames ? ) ..if that makes any sense


Now I am not the techie geek.. but I do understand well enough that indeed this would be possible..

maybe techie geek could expound on how they could work that ?

 

[garymayor]

Beachie,
Yes i do remember the days when we had to purchase snaps 3 months before they expire even more if you remember of course. Also i'm no way a newbie how do think i know all i do.

strongvis
Speaking about expired domains has gone past the point of no return so i care no more.

Duke
Only the people with the most money cuurently win under the current it has nothing to do with being smarter. So get ya facts correct.

Beachie + Duke
My brain hasn't connected large sums of money with the current system because bids are over inflated. People will not make as much by selling the name then creating something else out of the site or sending to an affiliate. You buy it for 5k sell it for 15-20k but hey you'll make 30k through rebuilding or sending it to an affiliate.

Ed30
You'll have even more freedom with wls

Duke
Not everyone is a reseller most people see more potential in domains.

BOB
How can one company monitor every domain on the net every second of the day. It's impossible and always will be.
You will need dedicated servers to monitor millions of domains. But the average home computer could cope with about 500,000 domains everyday you just got to know how to program it. Any way companies will apear that will do this for you.
The current paper for WLS is a monopoly that's why we need to spread it out between registrars but not the profit on the value of the domain. The profit on the value of the name should be given to the first person the realises it's worth. What can be fairer than that the current system is not correct i agree.

WHY SHOULD THE REGISTRARS MAKE THE PROFIT OF THE VALUE OF THE DOMAIN.

 

[garymayor]

bidawinner
It'll be easy for the WLS site to not allow scripts to register domains don't worry about that. There are plenty of ways to stop scripts from registering domains automatically.
Besides no one would be foolish anough to write a script that does that because the domain could always re-apear a person has to look at the name and decide weather or not that company is not interested in that name any more. There are ways to know that's what people have to learn.

 

[garymayor]

Now it seems to me that everyone of you that has posted in this thread is in fact a newbie because look at how many messages you've posted. Obvisouly you had trouble grasping the concepts of domain grabbing and have had to ask others about it. A true professional keeps his secrets, you guys moan and big players laff.

Not one of you said something that has even changed my mind in the slightest.