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This is where people who think WLS will cure their inability to compete are going to be sorely disappointed. OK, the WLS comes into play and somehow, against all odds, they actually land a WLS on a good name. Now they are thinking they are home free, they showed everyone, they got a WLS. Unfortunately in this new world since there are no other options, BD, ULT, me, my grandma and my dog will all be contacting the owner of that domain name. He is never going to let it drop and you are never going to get to exercise your WLS (assuming that you took one on a domain that was really at least half-way decent of course).

People then say "You won't be able to contact them. It's dropping because the registrar couldn't locate them". Do you know how much effort a registrar makes to contact someone near expiration? When the email bounces they are done. Don't think I can find them? Guess again. I can run down just about anyone in this country who isn't on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Listed. It's really not hard to do if you know the right places to call. Sure, some domain owners get contacted today but nothing like it will be under WLS when that is the only remaining option.

Bottom line is those who can't compete will still come away empty handed. There are no shortcuts. If you are not willing to get in there and slug it out it is never going to happen for you, under the current system or under WLS.
 
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Originally posted by Duke
Unfortunately in this new world since there are no other options, BD, ULT, me, my grandma and my dog will all be contacting the owner of that domain name. He is never going to let it drop and you are never going to get to exercise your WLS (assuming that you took one on a domain that was really at least half-way decent of course).

People then say "You won't be able to contact them. It's dropping because the registrar couldn't locate them". Do you know how much effort a registrar makes to contact someone near expiration? When the email bounces they are done. Don't think I can find them? Guess again. I can run down just about anyone in this country who isn't on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Listed. It's really not hard to do if you know the right places to call. Sure, some domain owners get contacted today but nothing like it will be under WLS when that is the only remaining option.

Duke,

This is all conjecture. If contacting owners were likely to succeed, then a slew of people would already be doing that. I monitor a lot of good names, and very few get transferred just before or during register hold. Most are reregged by the owner or they drop. So, if you want to provide a free reminder service to owners of dropping domains, then go ahead. The excuse that what keeps people out of contacting owners now is other options is just a weak excuse. If it really worked, people would be doing it.

Yours is one more theory of why WLS will not be good for most of us. I have been trying to get the thread monitors to start a poll to see where sentiment for/against WLS is headed. I can already predict the outcome. Most people now see the profits of this business shifting to the registrars as they take de facto ownership of the expiring domains, and auction them off a la Pool, Namewinner, Enom, etc.
 

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The idea that they won't allow bulk buying of WLS subscriptions is laughable.

They want to sell more, not less. This is not a charity, it's a business.

Who here believes that the WLS is being put in place so little guys can compete with big guys? If you believe that, there really isn't much more to say.
 

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The idea that they won't allow bulk buying of WLS subscriptions is laughable.

Did I ever say that politicians weren't laughable? :-D

Of Course, Verisign would never be so stupid as to voluntarily put this in their system. However, the folks in Washington might make them.

If you read my original post, some of those politicians oppose WLS for the same reasons we do- UltSearch will come along and register a million domains in the first tenth of a second. They could easily put such a human-registrar requirement in.

Calling such things a charity is the same as calling the constitution, the right to vote, and minimum wage a charity. Yet, politicians have supported all of them, for good reason- they make the playing field a bit more level. I'm not asking them to make Verisign give away WLS's to people who can't compete. I'm just asking them not to let someone come along and register 100000 WLSs before the inteded customers can even load the order page.

If an orange juice company ordered every single orange in the country before anyone else got the chance, and then started selling $20 cartons of orange juice, they would never get away with it, even if they said the other companies had the same chance to order them. Yet, when this happens in the drop business, nobody does a thing.
 

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Originally posted by hiOsilver
This is all conjecture. If contacting owners were likely to succeed, then a slew of people would already be doing that.

Actually it is not conjecture as a lot of people ARE already successfully doing it (including me on occasion). However it is a lot of time and work and with all of the current options in place it is actually more time and cost effective to use those options (and not alert the domain owner that the domain is dropping). However if WLS arrives and takes away ALL other options, everyone will be going this route. You will have no choice if you want to stay in this business. Personally I would prefer not to have the manner in which I have to acquire inventory dictated by one company, Verisign, who has already proven they are undeserving of being made into a monopoly. How many times do they have to screw people over before they pick up on this fact?
 

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"If contacting owners were likely to succeed, then a slew of people would already be doing that. "

Ummm... what makes you think they aren't?
 

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Originally posted by jberryhill
"If contacting owners were likely to succeed, then a slew of people would already be doing that. "

Ummm... what makes you think they aren't?

Well, actually John, for some names, I understand that there are lots of contacts by domain seekers. It appears that few of these attemps are successful. For the relatively few names that I have tried it, I was not successful. Perhaps others have found better luck. However, what I said in a previous post is that I monitor thousands of names. When I don't succeed in grabbing them, I look to see who I lose them to. Very few are transferred to another owner, which is what you would expect if another party bought them. Now, in some cases, an owner will renew the name first, and then transfer, so a few of these successful purchase-by-contact domains would show up as rereg by the original owners. A considerable number are reregged by the owners, but the vast majority of these are reregged before the expiration date, so that it is unlikely that they have been sold. The majority of names that I have monitored (not reregged by the owner) end up with Snapnames, Buy Domains, Pool, Namewinner, Ultimate Search, etc.
 

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Originally posted by Duke


Actually it is not conjecture as a lot of people ARE already successfully doing it (including me on occasion). However it is a lot of time and work and with all of the current options in place it is actually more time and cost effective to use those options (and not alert the domain owner that the domain is dropping). However if WLS arrives and takes away ALL other options, everyone will be going this route. You will have no choice if you want to stay in this business.


No, you will be able to play the higher percentage bet: Research and buy the best WLS slots at the right time. Just imagine if every Snapback you bought where the name did drop were a WLS: 100% success on names that actually dropped. What kind of inventory would you have then? I have lost hundreds of great names to BD & Ult with their private connections. And, I do not buy the argument that BD & Ult will buy all of the good WLS reservations in the first microsecond of WLS implementation.

Personally I would prefer not to have the manner in which I have to acquire inventory dictated by one company, Verisign, who has already proven they are undeserving of being made into a monopoly. How many times do they have to screw people over before they pick up on this fact?

Well, I am no fan of Verisign(NSI). I have only had one name removed from my ownership without my authorization, and that was at NSI (I did get the name back, but it shook me up). However, NSI does manage the .com & .net registries, so they are the logical party to manage WLS, if one is implemented. Just as managing a registry is a logical (and regulated) monopoly, so will managing WLS be a logical, regulated monopoly. You can always forgo .com and .net names, and then you will not be dealing with NSI even indirectly, as you are now.
 
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